Scout rifle for our current times

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  1. H&Hhunter

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    A scout set up makes an almost perfect dangerous game platform, and is in fact why the original Cooper scouts came in .308 and .376 Steyr. The .376 was designed with Cape buffalo specifically in mind. I’ve seen a few DG set up 458 Lott’s with forward mounted scout scopes.
     
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  2. .38 Special

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    Sure. Cooper had a name for such a thing, though. I think it might have been "Super Scout" or something like that. At any rate, I do not mean that the platform is not appropriate, but rather that the .308 is not.
     
  3. H&Hhunter

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    Dragoon was the name Cooper used for the .376 version.
     
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  4. Jerry M

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    Wasn't the .376 Steyr a result of Cooper's failed attempt of killing a Cape Buffalo with the .350 Remington Magnum - "Super Scout", if my memory serves me correctly?
     
  5. The Happy Kaboomer

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    No it is not and never will be. A close mounted scope allows full vision when the rifle is shouldered. A smaller scope mounted halfway down the gun will always take more time to line and get on target. Also it throws the rifle out of balance and snags on ever branch and vine you walk by. As I stated in an earlier post .That setup really sucks at dawn and dusk.
     
  6. WrongHanded
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    I think he means for snap shooting with both eyes open. The eye relief range is very forgiving. You focus on the target with both eyes open, and keep that focus as the rifle is brought up. The dominant eye loses the target as the scope comes up in front of it, but the non-dominant eye keeps both pointed in the right direction. Then the reticle pops up in front on the dominant eye, with the target behind it.

    As far as snagging goes, I guess that depends on how you carry the rifle. For me, it's in the hand so I can move it out of the way of brush. Or is carried African style under my non-dominant arm, where it's protected from brush.
     
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  7. trackskippy

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    You've obviously never shot one in the manner Beck describes. It's just like a forward mounted red dot in that respect too.

    With a traditionally mounted scope, you have to look through the scope to see the target and your focus is on that. With the forward mounted scope, your focus is on the target and the crosshairs (or in the case of a red dot, the dot) appear on the target where you are looking, as the gun is shouldered and you get a cheek weld.

    I've always found the balance was better and the snags no worse than a traditionally mounted scope.
     
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  8. H&Hhunter

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    The .376 was designed to be an African thick skinned DG legal variation of the Steyr Scout. He mentions the .350 RM story but the simple fact of the matter is at the time, .375 was the minimum legal diameter for DG hunting in most African countries so a .350 wouldn’t have accomplished the mission. As mentioned several post prior, it was called the Dragoon Scout. I’ve owned one and a good friend still has his.
     
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    Actually it is very fast, and additionally, it allows one to see what's going on around them, not just what's seen in the scope. You should try it.

    35W
     
  11. H&Hhunter

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    That hasn’t been my experience with a properly mounted scout scope. Except for the back lighting issue with a low sun, that can be an issue for sure.
     
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    All the other opinions and wrong information about the Scout concept except your refreshing Experience H&H. I believe the .350 rem Mag Scout in Cols vault was referred to as the " Lion Scout. ". I think else where it or another heavy calibers we're refered also as a Super Scout. As far as Scouts go during the Scout rifle course you were expected to hit at least one slow launched skeet with their scout with forward optic ( 2 power before RD sights !) Which our know it all posters would still be there with a conventional mounted scope I imagine.Mayne some could do it with open sights, I saw that being done.
     
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    As the kids say, "Tell me you haven't actually used a Scout scope without telling me you haven't actually used a Scout scope".
     
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    Gents let's just be honest most of us are not in gunfighter shape. A 22 yr old running around with a trained team will kill you if you engage for more than a shot. Your best bet is to camp out and use your deer rifle. Keep a shot gun handy and be ready for them to light your house on fire.
     
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    Ruger 96/44. Short throw lever action in 44mag (or special!) with an IQM 10 round magazine. Preferably a half dozen a more on the belt for a full-on scout mission. And a couple 4 round rotary mags for the ultra clandestine maneuvers. Wouldn't mind a red dot for practicality. Its 5 pounds without a magazine. And pretty darned short. If i need more firepower than that, then any semi auto with a big magazine will do.

    As for where i prefer a scope to be mounted, i like about 5-6" of eye relief. I have great vision, but any closer than about 6" and i have to focus, at which point the reticle disappears. I prefer my flat top AR15 rear iron sights to be above the chamber.
     
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    a 10/22 with a suppressor would be far from useless :)
     
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    In the six pages of replies, this is the wisest post yet. Thinking that stockpiling AR's, 30 round magazines and pallets of ammunition somehow leads to immortality is a bit silly.

    Years and years ago, long before SHTF and hoarding ammunition and guns was a "thing", I read an article in which the author pointed out that thinking one could survive one firefight after another was unrealistic. Rather the man that knew how to survive would be the one who knew how to hide and avoid contact with ne'er-do-wells, yet was proficient with a good, basic scoped bolt rifle chambered in a common hunting caliber such as .270 or .308.

    35W
     
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    Thank you and @txcookie for pointing this out. It's sad to think that this isn't obvious to everyone who considers the potential problem for a few minutes. And yet apparently it is not.
     
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  20. trackskippy

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    The big problem with these kinds of "discussions" is, its a "gun board" and the only answer to any problem always seems to be the gun (duh :p), no matter what it is. ;)

    Considering that most people around where I live barely have enough ammo on hand to get through one hunting season, the SHTF should be pretty short lived if all they do is shoot. :thumbup:

    But this is Amish country, so city people SHTF is daily life, and life is good, especially if you like Moon Pies. :)
     
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  21. jeepnik

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    Sorry, didn't mean to upset folks by the weight of "my" choice for a scout rifle. But you see I once used a 5.56 pos and darn near got killed. I switched to an M14 and never ever in all these years looked back.

    But, if "my" first choice isn't acceptable, I'll just use this.
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    This one only weighs 7#'s
     
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  22. Ignition Override

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    Again, let's ask the Ukrainian guys who patrol for Russians in many post-apocalyptic wastelands.

    They "walk the walk". Nothing academic for them.

    What do they prefer, no matter how many few choices, if any?
     
  23. Frostbite

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    Ukraine is facing the second army in the world, it is different. A professional (I am aware of their present difficulty or challenges) army and an angry mob or lone drifters don't represent the same kind of threat.

    Remington used to produce a semi in .243 just a few years ago, looking like it was strongly inspired by the AR-15, that could have served both roles of a big game and a battle rifle, I guess, if it was reliable. Never saw one except on the Internet, can't remember the name it was given by the marketing department.
     
  24. d2wing

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    I was thinking of a bolt action .22 as the best choice. Now I am turning to a good quality pellet gun. I can carry 1000 rounds, not give away my position and kill all the eating size game I need. Big game will be gone quickly. The best way to survive a gun fight is to not have one. Just an idea. A centerfire pistol would probably be necessary as well.
     
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  25. 3Crows

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    The whole scout concept by Cooper is conflicted. A light, all purpose hunting rifle for any NA game. Quick and potent in a .308 caliber. Accurate enough for at least several hundred yards and reliable. Okay, sounds good. Then he goes and throws in the ability to engage the enemy! What enemy might I encounter while scouting out a good deer hunting location? Foolishness. I do like forward mounted scopes on some rifles.

    3C
     
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