Seacamp .32 acp. Opinions from owners.

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Lancel said:

Distance is given when discussing accuracy to give the reader a reference. Just because I can run 14 miles per hour doesn't mean that I run 14 miles in one hour.

Howdy lancel...Understood and acknowleged. The point that I was getting
at was that I've noticed recently that too much emphasis is placed on how
tightly a gun will group its shots at a specifed distance, and using that
as a yardstick to determine the pistol's usefulness as a defensive tool.

Then the merit of Pistol A vs Pistol B is judged by how easy the sights are
to see. While it's true that big, blocky sights that are sharply defined
are a plus on a target range, they can be a liability in a close-range
emergency...sights that , as observed, probably won't even be used
95% of the time. When faced with a deadly threat at arm's length, speed
of deployment is paramount. Big, easy to see sights can slow you down.
Getting into a habit of searching the top of the gun for a perfect sight picture before firing will become an auto-response. It may only take a
second, but that second may be enough time to get you killed.

Another member made the observation that a perfectly placed shot is
necessary to decisively stop an attacker coming at him from 5 feet with a
crowbar, and target sights/accuracy would help insure perfect placement. My response was that if a man was coming on hard and fast at 5 feet while swinging a crowbar, that the attacker would cave in his skull before he could find the sights...Why? Unless you're highly disciplined and well-practiced, your eyes will be riveted on your attacker. By the time you switch back to "Range Mode" and start to search for the sights, the lights
will go out before you can find them.

The target shooter has a need for sharp sights and intrinsic accuracy.
The defensive pistoleer has a need for speed.

When it comes down to shoot or be killed, 3 fast hits in the 8-ring will beat a perfect "X" that comes too late...every time. Practice the way you'll have to fight, and you'll probably survive. Form range habits, and you may not.
Some of the best 'Match" marksmen in the world fall apart when the flag flies.

This public service announcement comes to you from those who have been there, done that.

Cheers!
 
Seecamp vs Guardian

In an earlier post I gave my "opinion" on why I personally prefer the NAA product over the Seecamp. Before I made my first Guardian purchase I had read several articles comparing the two, and every time the conclusion was that the Guardian was just an "improved" Seecamp. I have absolutely nothing against the Seecamp. I had read great things about them too, but generally it's deficiencies were always noted. It was the only game in town, thereby it automatically became the best of an otherwise non-existant group. At that time, because of it's exclusivity it was very expensive. VERY expensive. The differences were enough for me buy 2 Guardians rather than one Seecamp. The small front sight was just a reference point for me, and was not obviously intended for anything else. The fact that a Company with a great customer service history was manufacturing the Guardian was again a plus, for me... The fact that the Guardian would feed many different brands of ammunition as opposed to (at the time) only Silvertips was important, to me. I prefer the side grip magazine release over the bottom of the grip, not to "speed reload" but I just like it better. I agree that either of these fine little pistols are in fact only a last chance, desperate measure weapon.. To be used in a time of crisis, close range, and no more. I was just comparing "apples to apples" and again it was just my personal opinion. I'm just glad we can all have the opportunity to pick and choose between brands, and buy the firearm of our choice. It does distress me to read posts from folks in states that put restrictions on what pistols you can, and cannot own. :)
 
1911Turner said:
a bunch

Sure, I agree 100%. It just seemed that we had veered from pistol quality to pistol tactics - a worthy but separate topic.

In any case, 1911Turner makes good words.:)

Larry
 
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PX15 said:


It does distress me to read posts from folks in states that put restrictions on what pistols you can, and cannot own.

AH! There's the real travesty, brother. Who is better fit to determine what I can and can't own than me...or you. Excellent point. Maybe it's time
to "Throw the rascals out" come election time.

Your opinion is valued and welcome. Differing opinions spark debate...
Debate leads to questions...From questions we move to research...
Research leads to answers..(sometimes answers that go against what we
believe)...and finally, those answers provide information that allows us to
reach an informed decision rather than one based on gut reaction or
aesthetic appeal.

Moreover, civil disagreement is thoroughly enjoyable if approached with
logic and as long as it remains civil.

Kudos! Start a debate with me any time. Coffee's on the house!

Tuner
 
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Lancel said:

Sure, I agree 100%. It just seemed that we had veered from pistol quality to pistol tactics - a worthy but separate topic.

I did that, didn't I?:eek:

Forgive me...I tend to have a one-track mind when it comes to
defensive armament.

It's a thing that I do whenever the talk turns to accuracy...:rolleyes:
I get worried about my brothers in arms that could get a busted skull,
I guess.

Okay, okay...I'll shaddap now.:D

Cheers!
 
LynnMassGuy...

I have one and it is the gun I carry when I can't carry anything else. I have a little bit of a difficult time shooting it well, but it is MUCH better than bad words to discourage a bad guy. I also find the safety (mandatory in the People's Commonwealth) difficult to disengage one-handed. Maybe I just havent found the trick yet.

But my vote is to get one is you can.
 
M90A1...

Well, that's weird. My Seecamp and my spare mag both have RBCD in them as does my Guardian and it's spare mag. They both work flawlessly. Are you saying that only one round of RBCD ammo will FIT in a Seecamp magazine?

KR
 
KR

That's exactly what I'm saying. The second round jams up the magazine. It seems as though the OAL of the RBCD ammo is a mite too long for any of my mags. The ogive of the bullet runs right into the sides of the curved part of the mag.
 
Jeff OTMG is the RBCD expert here...

I'll send him an e-mail in hopes of solving this riddle. In the meantime, would you please give me the frist two numbers of your Seecamp's serial number?
Mine starts out with 37XXX. Larry told me that he went to CNC machine design around number 27XXX. Maybe that has something to do with it. Before CNC, Seecamp made one gun at a time. I've always wondered if these were the *better models. GeorgeH has one of each.
Sometimes, I give thought to buying an earlier example too. However, there are just SO many other guns I want! I only have a couple chambered for 9MM (and they're BOTH Kahrs), and I've discovered that I LIKE to shoot 9MM!

KR
 
Kentucky, M90A1 has the wrong ammo!!! RBCD makes 32 acp ammo in TWO Cartridge OAL Lengths!!! One short, for the Autauga's and Seecamp's, and a longer one for everything else, according to Jeff, the distributer. He must have the longer one, I bet you
 
Kentucky, M90A1 has the wrong ammo!!! RBCD makes 32 acp ammo in TWO Cartridge OAL Lengths!!! One short, for the Autauga's and Seecamp's, and a longer one for everything else, according to Jeff, the distributer. He must have the longer one, I bet you

Now, that makes sense. I'll check with RBCD. At least I'm not out anything. The ammo I've got now will work fine in my German PP. :) Thanks for all the help.
 
I like mine. The Kel-tec's light weight sure is nice, but it just feels so cheap compared to the Seecamp. I was thinking of the Kel-Tec, but spent the extra and got the original. I don't use it much, only when I can't get away with anything else since the .32 is a pretty miserable stopper.
 
M90A1, if you can measure your RCBD cartiridge OAL, it should be around .900, Winchester Silver tips are .917 and Speer Gold Dots are .902, while FMJ rounds are .960+-, that's why some Hollow Points and all Full Metal Jackets don't fit in the Seecamp or Autauga. I shoot the Gold Dots, and have no feeding problems. I wish I had a extra $40 for a box of RCBD, but us unemployed machinists have to watch our pennies....
 
Well thank you, Greg...

Two lengths. Here I carry RBCD in everything I've got and I didn't even know that.

Easy Wild. That's just what he's been told. A lot of people post things like that. I agree with you too. At least in my pocket the Guardian feels larger. But I've got that Hedley Front Pocket LE for my Seecamp. It fits like a glove. It curves right around my leg. I could keep it in my pocket every day. (And, like you, I do! :) )

KR
 
Kentucky Rifle, I heard that gun show you have down there in Louisville Kentucky, is a great show. I was disapointed in the Indy 1500, maybe in better weather, I will get down there. Is Hedley back from his vacation yet? I need a couple of holsters from him. That new 9mm that Jeff has is a sweet gun.
I talked with Jeff about the 32acp ammo, and he pointed out out the two different lengths at the Indy 1500. Hope that clears things up.
 
Tupperware said:
"Overated, overpriced and UNDERsupported. Mine had a serious factory defect (tumbling bullets which shed their jackets)"

Tuner said:
"I'd be inclined to think that was an ammo problem rather than a gun problem."

Tuner,
If you saw the bore on my example you wouldn't blame the ammo. There were SERIOUS tool marks in the rifling. A jacket tougher than the aluminum one of the Silvertip might have survived intact but there was still a problem with that gun. An earlier example shot the same lot of ammo with no problems as did my KelTec.
Regards,
Tupperware

Unrelated question. How do you 'reply with quote' on this forum?
 
A little off topic but IMOP seecamps service is exceptional, I had always heard it was poor back when he had the only show in town but that has changed and so has his service.

My seecamp dates to 1989 and I recently called to see if I could get some replacement springs for my mags and was connected directly to Larry, after telling him the serial number I had he asked me if I wanted to send it in for some "updates" I sent it in and in 3 weeks it came back looking brand new, the only origional thing left was the frame which was polished and looked new again.

Needless to say I am very pleased. I just got my seecamp 380 and this little gem will never leave me. ;)
 
Concerned Citizen...

I agree with your assessment of Seecamp service. I came home one day and my answering machine light was blinking. When I pushed the "play messages button", Larry Seecamp's voice came out of the speaker. That's what started our friendship. He gets along well with RJ too. I have no idea why some people get the man while others don't.:confused:
(Maybe it's my "jovial personality". BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA)

KR~
 
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