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Searing gun debate in this Christian forum!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Min, Feb 20, 2003.

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  1. Min

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    Here's an excerpt:

    QUOTE from a pro-gun person:
    What do you think I own a weapon for? I have a Colt 1911 .45 ACP on my side right now, which I will carry with me everywhere today... even to Church tomorrow should I go. Do you know why I carry my 1911? For serious situations where my Christian soul may fall prey to a criminal who might desire to deprive me of life, liberty or pursuit of happiness. I'll kill him before I allow him to harm me or mine. That's pretty serious if you ask me.


    Anti-gun response:
    Well, based on your statement, I would say that it's either:

    A. Sexual inadequacey
    B.Paranoia and distrust of people
    C. Delusions of grandeur


    Under "God and guns" thread in General Faith Topics

    http://forums.crosswalk.com/
     
  2. El Tejon

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    Oh, yeah, well, Lord Shiva carries a shotgun, not some sissy pistol!:D
     
  3. Redlg155

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    I went there and checked things out. Talk about some folks with their heads in the sand!

    I personally think that user "dafodil4s" has been sniffing a flower, but not daffodils. If I'm not mistaken the poppy seed flower is very similar in appearance. :D


    Good SHooting
    RED
     
  4. El Rojo

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    Interesting thread. I posted.
     
  5. Min

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    Here is the opening topic message:

    I have a lot of firearms. It's a hobby. Does that creep anybody out? Should it?




    Here is the 1st reply post:

    Yup. Creeps me out. I can see no reason anyone who names the name of Christ needs a series of murder weapons unless they are a police officer or has some other legitimate need.

    Making a hobby of guns and death is no better than making a hobby of forncation and rape as far as I call tell....



    About that post all I can say is
    :rolleyes:
    "Making a hobby of guns and death is no better than making a hobby of forncation and rape as far as I call tell.... "
    :cuss:


    Thanks for posting el rojo
     
  6. El Tejon

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    So the book of Numbers means what to these people?

    The study of weaponry is ungodly? What about the tribe of Benjamin--the gun shoppe commandos of the Old Testament, "[a]mong all this people there were seven hundred chosen men lefthanded; every one could sling stones at an hair breadth, and not miss." Judges 20:16 (Obviously these guys should be over at the Rifle Forum), see also Judges 20:17.

    "One of those who were with Jesus drew his sword and struck at the High Priest's slave, cutting off his ear." Matthew 26:51.

    "'But now,' Jesus said, 'whoever has a purse or a bag must take it; and whoever does not have a sword must sell his coat and buy one.'" Luke 22:36.

    Mark 3:27 and Luke 11:21?

    Selective reading of Christianity? Shocking!:rolleyes:
     
  7. MPFreeman

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    Them Crazy Christians...:),

    MPF
     
  8. El Tejon

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    Matt, that's it? "Crazy Christians"? You're the Biblical scholar here. Give us some help, will ya?
     
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    i wouldnt say that debate is 'searing'...most seem to be all for gun ownership and responsible use of them to protect the innocent.

    i get such a kick out of my mother telling me i shouldnt carry to church but has no problem with me carrying every other day of the week.

    soooooo, because i live in and walk through a semi-rough neighborhood its okay to protect myself, but while i'm at church i shouldnt? Does Not Compute!
     
  11. Don Gwinn

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    Um, OK. Seriously, I'm pretty sure this guy just said that police officers are murderers. . . . and that's "legitimate." Hmph. That's one way to go, I guess.

    As hobbies go, fornication is not all that boring. It should surprise no one that a person who thinks consensual fornication is the same thing as rape thinks owning a gun is the same as murdering people for kicks. Whatever religion you try to wrap that in, it always sounds the same.
     
  12. DeltaElite

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    God carries a Delta Gold Cup, so what's the big deal? :D
     
  13. Ron L

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    I can't remember the exact verse, but we're called to be stewards of everything God has given us. That means caring for and protecting. My chosen means of protecting those things, AND PEOPLE, may be to carry a weapon. In any case, it's MY choice to do it as I see fit. We were also given dominion over all living things and, in my opinion, the most efficient and humane means to harvest an animal is with a gun.
     
  14. illuminatus99

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    those two quotes from matthew and luke are often taken out of context, as much as I'd like them to support the RKBA they don't.

    in matthew one of jesus's buddies cut off the ear of a guard, jesus told him that now is not the time and place to fight and healed the ear. in luke jesus told his men to get a sword so they would appear to be criminals since it was illegal for common folk to carry a sword, they needed to get caught so that was part of the plan.

    the whole "turn the other cheek" thing is also misinterpreted by the other side, it was a metaphor for people insulting you,or a slap in the face, self defense was a whole different ball game.
     
  15. casual

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    Hey, has anyone heard the quaint old saying "Thou shalt not kill?"

    The point of the Commandment is that human life is not for the taking.

    And if I need to shoot someone to make sure he doesn't violate it, I do believe I'm doing God's work.


    rev. casual
     
  16. BamBam-31

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    Last time I started the thread "god and guns" on TFL, the consensus was that "Thou shalt not kill" is not an exact translation. Instead, it is more accurately "Thou shalt not murder."

    And, as Jay-Lo has taught us, self-defense is not murder.
     
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    If there is one thing I can't stand as much as an anti, it is people with a martyrdom complex.
     
  18. Gordon

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    Gee thanks guys, I put the site in my favorites and I will spend endless hours raising hell with my Christian brethren! I don't like to get into faith discusions with anybody other than people of my faith as I am POLITE , being armed of course.:D
     
  19. Blain

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    Remember the Patriot!

    Remember the movie the Patriot?

    In it a member of the militia goes to a church in order to recruit. The Reverend is opposed to it at first. Then latter on as all those who decide to join are exiting they see a shocking site!

    The Reverend marches right out with them, gun in hand!

    One of the guys asks with shock, "Reverend?!?!?"

    His response is the classic....

    "A sheperd must tend his flock.....and at times, fend off the wolves!"


    !!!!!!!YEA!


    GO REVEREND!


    THAT IS A REAAAAAAAAAAAAAL MAN OF GOD
     
  20. firestar

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    "Making a hobby of guns and death is no better than making a hobby of forncation and rape as far as I call tell.... "


    And whats wrong with that?:D
     
  21. TexasVet

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    Hey, has anyone heard the quaint old saying "Thou shalt not kill?"

    Sure, and it is another of those nasty little KJV mistranslations, of which there are so many. (Bunch of illiterates working for you, Jamey boy! I mean they even got the FIRST sentence wrong). Actual translation is "Thou shalt not murder."
    Get your point, however.
     
  22. illuminatus99

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    if I remember right the direct translation was "kill from a hidden place" which roughly equates to "murder". there's plenty of biblical references to self defense being ok even if it kills the guy, in exodus right after the ten commandments it explicitly says that if someone comes into your home and you stike him so that he dies you are not to be punished.


    12 "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. 13 However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate. 14 But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death.

    2 "If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; 3 but if it happens [1] after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed.
     
  23. Archie

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    Illuminatus....

    Would you care to defend that statement? Being an ordained minister and student of the Bible and Jesus for a very long time, I don't get the logic or the background.
     
  24. makdaddy03

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    Im a law abiding Christian gun owner.:neener:
     
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    my wife and I are conservative Anglicans who came out of a denomination which has some conservatives but a vast majority of new-age-off-in-space-OWG types which will go unnamed (but it's initials are 'episcopalian'...). One of the bits I found that makes the liberals flinch (right before they walk off muttering) is to tell them that I take the 'sword' reference in Luke 22:35-36 literally.
     
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