Shanghai McCoy
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I have ...nevermind. 
Been a member here too long, must not say what is screaming to be said in my head.:banghead:
Been a member here too long, must not say what is screaming to be said in my head.:banghead:
Sec of State Kerry: Guns are scaring away foreign students
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Kerry is an AVOWED Anti and is using one comment to feed another AVOWED Anti who set things up to get an Anti statement out of the interview.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Japanese college students and everything to do with the Administration's agenda being pushed by Kerry and CNN.
Don't be foolish enough to take the bait and be distracted by the foreign student line and realize that Kerry would make up this information to serve his master in the White House.
BTW, if some of you notice there are some posts missing you may reasonably assume they focused on the wrong point or were in response to it.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Japanese college students and everything to do with the Administration's agenda being pushed by Kerry and CNN.
Don't be foolish enough to take the bait and be distracted by the foreign student line and realize that Kerry would make up this information to serve his master in the White House.
BTW, if some of you notice there are some posts missing you may reasonably assume they focused on the wrong point or were in response to it.
This is the same guy who lied about his service to his country right? Remind me to not send my grandkids to Japan to study. These guys just make it up as they go. He is just one of the biggest bullxxxx liars on the hill. Would have made a great President.
Foreign students are scaring away Americans.
Foreign students are scaring away Americans.
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JustinJ
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Seriously? People still believe this? Yes, and Iraq did 911.
Anyways, while i can't attest to just how many share this concern i can see how media coverage of some relatively recent and very high profile mass shootings in US schools could impact the perceptions of foreigners. I do however believe, as the article says, the primary reason for a decrease in foreign students is due to variables having nothing to do with guns or crime.
What some with more narrow minds apparently don't realize though is that foreign exchange programs are extremely important to spreading american ideals around the world and have most certainly contributed greatly to global progress.
The Dems ought to at least get their story straight. According to this, Kerry's stepped in it again.
International students in USA at all-time high
International students in USA at all-time high
Highland Ranger
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Either way who cares. They don't need to come.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Kerry? You mean the guy who voted to ban CMP and voted to ban .30-30 ammo by name? I'm sure he has an open, unbiased view worth listening too.
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Highland and others - I didn't post this thread to get into a topic of foreign students, whether pro or con. But, on the topic of foreign students, I can't think of a better way to expose such students to the merits (and flaws) of our political system, of our constitution - including the Second Amendment - than allowing them to study here ... and hopefully bring something worthwhile back to their home countries.
But, the real point of this thread is just as one of the moderators so aptly noted just a few posts above:
But, the real point of this thread is just as one of the moderators so aptly noted just a few posts above:
sidheshooter
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Unmitigated fibbing. Others have posted countervailing stats, I will simply add my own anecdotes: I have personally taken French and Netherland travelers to the friendly local range stall to run mags out of class 3 MP5 rentals or work up to full house magnums out of "fluffy, the pet model 13" (to rip off Mas Ayoob's long time gag). Most young folks who are adventuresome enough to come here from another country really want to try their hand at shooting.
KMMV (Kerry's Mileage May Vary)
KMMV (Kerry's Mileage May Vary)
Carl N. Brown
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"International students in USA at all-time high", Your World, 16 Nov 2012.
Overseas students in the country "rose by 5.7 per cent to 764,495 in the 2011/12 academic year" according to Open Doors Report on International Educational Exchange, Institute of International Education (IIE) partnered with the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs.
"Kerry: Foreign students 'scared' of guns in U.S.", CNN Political Unit, 15 Apr 2013.
Kerry: "We had an interesting discussion about why fewer students are coming to, particularly from Japan, to study in the United States, and one of the responses I got from our officials from conversations with parents here is that they're actually scared. They think they're not safe in the United States and so they don't come."
The story goes on to say that in 2011 21,290 Japanese students came to the US, 7th place among number of foreign students in the US, down 14% from the 2010 acording to IIE. Experts (I read "not Ketty") attribute that to Japanese students wanted to study at home rather than overseas plus the bad economy and lower birth rate in Japan.
The CNN story is not using 2012 figures (maybe they're not in, or if they are they don't fit the agenda).
One of the commenters posted this:
Kerry used what he said people told him. Personally I trust "john" more than I trust Kerry.)
Maybe though, coming from the Secretary of State, that assertion will become a self-fulfilling prophesy. People may be afraid to come here because the Secretary said others were.
Overseas students in the country "rose by 5.7 per cent to 764,495 in the 2011/12 academic year" according to Open Doors Report on International Educational Exchange, Institute of International Education (IIE) partnered with the U.S. Department of State’s Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs.
"Kerry: Foreign students 'scared' of guns in U.S.", CNN Political Unit, 15 Apr 2013.
Kerry: "We had an interesting discussion about why fewer students are coming to, particularly from Japan, to study in the United States, and one of the responses I got from our officials from conversations with parents here is that they're actually scared. They think they're not safe in the United States and so they don't come."
The story goes on to say that in 2011 21,290 Japanese students came to the US, 7th place among number of foreign students in the US, down 14% from the 2010 acording to IIE. Experts (I read "not Ketty") attribute that to Japanese students wanted to study at home rather than overseas plus the bad economy and lower birth rate in Japan.
The CNN story is not using 2012 figures (maybe they're not in, or if they are they don't fit the agenda).
One of the commenters posted this:
What john has are anecdotes, which are trumped by Kerry's misrepresented statistics. (<--that's sarcasm
Kerry used what he said people told him. Personally I trust "john" more than I trust Kerry.)Maybe though, coming from the Secretary of State, that assertion will become a self-fulfilling prophesy. People may be afraid to come here because the Secretary said others were.
Hoppes Love Potion
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We get it. Guns are bad, guns are scary, guns are mean, guns are even racist. But the people trying to take your guns away have no intention of giving theirs up.
People just can't seem to stay focused on the point the OP was making and instead want to try to distract others with rants about foreign students so this one is becoming too much trouble to keep cleaning up. If the attempts to distract from the topic continue the thread will be shut down.
IOW, knock off the low road comments about foreign students in the U.S. and focus on Mr. Kerry's propaganda.
IOW, knock off the low road comments about foreign students in the U.S. and focus on Mr. Kerry's propaganda.
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EVIL
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This guy is a joke as SecState. I'm sure his comments were aimed at the US domestic politics. He needs to read a history book, starting with Dec. 7th 1941, and ending with Aug 6th & 9th, 1945. I think Japanese students most likely know our righteous fury & destructive capacity when provoked. They know our history better than our own national elected (& appointed) leadership & mindless, easily manipulated electorate who voted for them. Maybe it's good foreign policy that our allies still fear our gun culture and wrath somewhat ...
bikerdoc
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Kerry says something stupid weekly. Best we can do is continue to bring these statements to light of public scrutiny and expose them for the lies they are.
Sav .250
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What a joke. Most,if nor all, come from area`s that are in constant turmoil.
Plus,if that were the case ,why do they (foreign students) come here in waves!
Plus,if that were the case ,why do they (foreign students) come here in waves!
Arkansas Paul
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I was just thinking that the number of people coming here and enjoying our 2nd Amendment freedoms would outnumber the people scared away by it. This is my speculation of course, but I would lay money on it being true. Of course you'll never hear this from the media.
alsaqr
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Years ago my wife and i sponsored students under the foreign student exchange program. Every one of those students expressed an interest in shooting. One foreign student later became a US citizen.
I assume my previous reply was deleted for being "off-topic"... I don't think it was because there's two ways to look at Kerry's statement: 1) Either foreign students are actually afraid of guns in America AND/OR 2) the merits of them being afraid and not coming being a bad thing.
I find it a NO on both counts. Most international students, including all but one in my program, come from a family of means. Between the aid we give them in coming and their own personal wealth they are a bit insulated by being able to afford areas to live that are on the average safer compared to areas that are "student ghettos". I've advocated quite overtly for guns with an open holster protest and they never even mentioned it once. In fact, I'm kind of the go to guy for them to help because I know it's hard enough for them to be 1000's of miles away from familiar that there's no reason to make it worse for them by ignoring them.
It'd also be an understatement that Kerry has motives behind this. He's now Secretary of State... it makes him look good to advocate for foreign students with the foreign offices he's now dealing with. He's also anti-gun and reinforces his supporters' belief with, "Oh no, we're not just scaring American's with those evil guns, the rest of the world is scared too." It's a load. I don't care what the rest of the world thinks. They've screwed each other up enough times that I KNOW they don't have the greatest ideas on freedom and not. Guns are a fundamental method to retain freedom, period. Our founders were smart enough to put it down on paper, and the rest of the world can go down the toilet bowl for thinking it makes us "backwards".
I find it a NO on both counts. Most international students, including all but one in my program, come from a family of means. Between the aid we give them in coming and their own personal wealth they are a bit insulated by being able to afford areas to live that are on the average safer compared to areas that are "student ghettos". I've advocated quite overtly for guns with an open holster protest and they never even mentioned it once. In fact, I'm kind of the go to guy for them to help because I know it's hard enough for them to be 1000's of miles away from familiar that there's no reason to make it worse for them by ignoring them.
It'd also be an understatement that Kerry has motives behind this. He's now Secretary of State... it makes him look good to advocate for foreign students with the foreign offices he's now dealing with. He's also anti-gun and reinforces his supporters' belief with, "Oh no, we're not just scaring American's with those evil guns, the rest of the world is scared too." It's a load. I don't care what the rest of the world thinks. They've screwed each other up enough times that I KNOW they don't have the greatest ideas on freedom and not. Guns are a fundamental method to retain freedom, period. Our founders were smart enough to put it down on paper, and the rest of the world can go down the toilet bowl for thinking it makes us "backwards".
Carl N. Brown
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I would not condemn foreign students for anything Kerry says about them.
I know he did not speak the truth about the Viet Nam vets I know when he made his war crime comments in Congressional hearings (which ironically I saw replayed during the 2004 campaign more often by CNN than by Fox).
He is an elitist partisan hack and a dreadful choice to serve as America's chief diplomat, Sec of State.
I know he did not speak the truth about the Viet Nam vets I know when he made his war crime comments in Congressional hearings (which ironically I saw replayed during the 2004 campaign more often by CNN than by Fox).
He is an elitist partisan hack and a dreadful choice to serve as America's chief diplomat, Sec of State.
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