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  1. GoSlash27

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    Tonight at 9:00 EST. Encourage as many people as possible to watch.
     
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    Ron Paul: Cover His Back

    Ron Paul: Cover His Back

    Alan Stang | May 14, 2007

    For those of you who never heard of Ron Paul before the debate, I have known him for more than twenty five years. I have been with him many times in many settings. I recall being with him in fellow physician Larry McDonald's congressional office in Washington, which would have had to be more than twenty four years ago. Remember that my dear friend Larry was probably kidnapped by the Soviets on September first, 1983, when they shot down Koran Air Lines 007. He was an old-school Democrat, of course, and completely shared our beliefs.

    I have spent time with Ron between congressional stints in his medical office. After the Patriot Act, he told me ruefully that the congressmen who voted for it had not been allowed to read it and knew only what they had been told. A few months back, we were together in his district office in Lake Jackson and he told me he was breaking in his new knees. That's right, in addition to all his other qualities, Dr. Ron is now a bionic Member of Congress.

    Later, I introduced him at a meeting in Austin and told the audience that since the doctors had replaced his knees, they may as well go all the way and clone him. I still think it was a good idea – I modestly asked for only 534 Dr. Ron clones to replace the other Members of Congress – but he shot me down at once when I surrendered the dais. He said that wife Carol, who was sitting right there, wasn't as enthusiastic as I was because “one Ron Paul is enough.” It's the only thing I've heard Carol say that I disagree with.

    So I think I am qualified to say, for those of you who may not have known much about Ron Paul before the earthquake at the Reagan Library, that he is the real thing. He is exactly what you thought he was when you saw him in the debate, despite what the media scumbags said he said. As President, he would dismantle IRS and the Fed. He would get us out and keep us out of illegal, imperial wars. He would restore genuine Free Enterprise and real money. He would stop the government-inspired deportation of our jobs and standard of living.

    But remember that by now the federal government has passed the tipping point. The way back is now uphill. Democracy, which the Founding Fathers feared and hated, has turned government into an immensely lucrative racket. Many people are using it to make humongous fortunes. Senate crook Dianne Feinstein is just one recent example. Hundreds of billions of dollars have vanished in Iraq.

    El presidente Jorge W. Boosh is the most prominent of many who have accumulated enormous power, and they want more. The conspiracy for world government is approaching its goal: the destruction of our national independence, so that the country can be submerged in a regional, and then in a world government.

    On April 30th, at the White House, Boosh signed a “Transatlantic Economic Integration” agreement between the U.S. and the European Union. Also signing were German Chancellor Angela Merkel – current president of the European Council – and European Commission President José Manuel Barroso. The document says that the U.S. and the European Union “seek to strengthen transatlantic economic integration.”

    Dr. Ron would stop all this, so the crooks and conspirators and the media pimps they employ want to stop him. And the record shows that they will do everything, from blackmail to extortion to murder, to get what they want. “Law” for them is whatever they do at the time. We know that people who oppose them have an unfortunate habit of “committing suicide.” One man even shot himself in the back more than once with a shotgun. Another killed himself and then drove to Fort Marcy Park in the District of Criminals, where the cops found his body. Ain't that right, Vince?

    At the Reagan Library, Dr. Ron took them by surprise. He barely was allowed in. They paid him no attention. Why waste time on a yokel from Lake Jackson? Where? (By the way, Ron is not a native Texan. If memory serves, he started out as a Pennsylvania Yankee. We let him live here in the Promised Land because of his ideas.) So, Ron started out with zero support and less than zero media interest in his thinking.

    The crucial issues in the debate of course were the fact that “front-runner” Mitt Romney is a staunch homosexualist; he did everything he could to advance the cause of sodomy as governor of Taxachusetts. And of course had I been there as a member of the press, I would have asked the other “front runner,” America's mayor Rudy, the perennial question that has plagued the country all along:

    “Mayor Giuliani, when you are not wearing women's clothes, are you nevertheless wearing women's underwear, and, if so, what is your bra size?” Yes, it's a stupid question. I would argue that it's a lot less stupid than some of the questions that were asked. Remember that we have had our first “black” President (Clinton) and our first homosexualist President (Bush). With Rudy we face the prospect of our first cross-dressing President. Hey, it's time, right? (By the way, you do need to know that Dr. Ron is something of a prude. He invariably wears men's clothes and underwear.)

    At last, the camera turned to Dr. Paul. Yes, he is handsome. He even looks like a President. But, after all, he's a yokel, an innocuous country doctor. They would let him mumble for the allotted few minutes and move on. Everybody knows this thing is between Rudy and Mitt. Everything else is window dressing.

    Then, suddenly, without warning, there was an Incredible Hulk transformation. Godzilla was onstage, biting off heads, tearing off limbs and chewing on the bones. Who was he? Where had he come from? Who let him in? The reptilian media scumbags couldn't very well drag him off the dais. The cameras were live. They had to sit there and listen while Dr. Ron assured them that his first official act as President would be to dismantle IRS.

    And across the country, from the west bank of the Hudson to the California line, a roar erupted, as millions of astounded Americans who pay the taxes, fight the wars and go to work (unless their jobs have been deported), realized that Dr. Ron was saying in plain English what they believe in private. Most of the other candidates spoke boilerplate. They saw they were not alone and not crazy. “Imagine! A candidate for President who thinks like me.”

    The internet polls started rolling in. Every one of them showed that Ron had dismembered and buried all the opposition. It wasn't even close. At first the American Bureau of Communism (ABC) News poll deleted Ron altogether. ABC added him only after a tidal wave of furious telephone calls and emails. Ron had 15,568 of the first 18,000 votes in the ABC News poll. Homosexualist Mitt Romney, who “won,” had 245.

    MySpace has been blocking posts related to Dr. Ron. ABC's message boards have been deleting expressions of outrage about the network's attempt to squelch him. Media scumbags even lied about what he had said, despite the fact that we heard him say it. Scumbags Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, who hosted the actual debate, claimed that none of the Republican candidates opposed the occupation of Iraq, in the face of what Dr. Paul had said.

    Yahoo has been censoring Dr. Paul. They claim he is not an announced candidate. But the Federal Elections Commission says he is; and if he isn't how did he get into the debate? The most creative argument said that Ron's supporters are “viral” computer bloggers who voted more than once, except that the polling technology makes it impossible to vote more than once from an I.P. address.

    Two things emerge. First, the orchestrated attempt to squelch Dr. Ron should prove to the last doubter that the outcome has already been ordained, that the process is largely a charade. Second, remember that these polls are taken among people who have access to the net, still a minority. Most of the American people by far still get their daily brainwashing from the Communist media left (CBS, CNN, ABC, etc.) and the Communist media right (Limbag, Laura, Hannity, etc.). So, much more must be done.

    Which brings me to the reason for this piece. By now the shock has worn off. Tomorrow evening, in South Carolina, our Communist media will not be taken by surprise. They will be expecting Godzilla. Indeed, don't logic and our experience of these scumbags tell you that they have been figuring out what to do since the disaster at the Reagan Library?

    They certainly have no intention of allowing sensible, handsome, avuncular Dr. Ron to keep breaking through to the people. I believe Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate who could beat Hillaroid, the nation's leading cause of lower back pain. Remember, he's the only Republican who voted against the war. His policy is the only sensible American policy: he would not have put us there, but now that we are there, win it and get out. No politics!

    So we must be super vigilant. We know they will do something. We just don't know what it is. We don't know when. If you are anywhere near Columbia, South Carolina tomorrow night, go to the Fox debate. Festoon the place with Ron Paul signs. Are you a computer ninja? Standby to work your magic on the net. If Godzilla strikes again, you can be sure that the Communist media will do what it can to mess up the polls and worse.

    To put yourself into the right frame of mind for the debate, watch Clint Eastwood in “The Outlaw Josie Wales.” Then, during the debate, watch Ron's back. By the way, I just checked. Ron Paul has no immediate plans to “commit suicide.” My prayer is that he gets through this thing alive.
     
  3. ilbob

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    do you really think that you are helping the cause of Dr. Paul with this kind of post?

    if you actually believe that you are being helpful, you need to read what you wrote and think about it from the POV of an average person that actually votes. they will not vote for conspiracy theorists, because they have all proven to be completely wrong over time.

    making Dr Paul's message sound kooky is not helping him one bit. But maybe you knew that when you posted.
     
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    Wrong forum.

    Activism is just for activism. Discussion is for L&P.
     
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    The debate was a huge joke. And the Republican party is now a complete joke. I doubt any of the 10 candidates standing up there could beat Hillary or Obama in a general election.
     
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    I knew little about Ron Paul before the debate, other than he is touted as a pro-gun candidate. He came across as a total kook, not worthy of an intelligent person's slightest serious consideration. As to the Republicans beating Hilary or Obama. If you really think they are unbeatable then you must be either a socialist like Hilary, or someone with no understanding of politics beyond the most superficial appearances if you consider Obama a real candidate. God help us if we have to rely on either Hilary or Barack to stand up against he facsist Islamic terrorists. While I would prefer to have a real conservative represent the Republican party, such as Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter, I would still vigorously support Romney, Guliani or McCain over anyone the Democrats will have running on their ticket. Maybe I have overestimated the intelligence and sophistication of the readers of this forum, but I am still surprised that we have gun rights supporters who even consider support of Mrs. Clinton or Sen. Obama, or even more outrageous, support of Ron Paul.
     
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    Here is recent national head to head polling data showing that all top three Democrat canidates beat the Republicans top three in the polling. Recently Giuliani has a slight lead over Hillary. Seems the Democrats are far more popular than any of the top Republicans.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html
     
  8. Texan4Life

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    Since you don't know a whole lot about paul here is a few that I think is far from outrageous:

    # He has never voted to raise taxes.
    # He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
    # He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
    # He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
    # He has never taken a government-paid junket.
    # He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

    # He voted against the Patriot Act.
    # He voted against regulating the Internet.
    # He voted against the Iraq war.

    Also about the little "mini debate" between him and rudy, with some fact checking clearly paul was right. The 9/11 commission report talked about: http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=195576
     
  9. Biker

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    vito...

    I take your post personally and the insults and implications contained within to heart.
    Feel free to pucker up your lips and chafe them on my big, white, Scandanavian freedom loving butt.

    Sincerely

    Biker
     
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    I'm going to back Vito on this one folks. I honestly had only heard Ron Paul speak once or twice on gun issues. On other issues and after his debate appearance... the man is either a nut job or had the worst case of diarrhea of the mouth ever. I think it's the former. Either way, he crapped on his chances of making it past the primary. He's great for guns, but he can't debate his way out of a paper bag on anything else... oh yeah, did I mention he's kooky? 9-11 is our fault for occupying Iraq? Yep, he'd make a terrific president... :barf:

    Personally, I don't want a man who could make that big a gaff representing my cause either. Frankly, he'd make us look bad to the rest of the population. It's hard enough trying to convince people that we're not a bunch of raving, bumpkin, militia loons, now we have a national figure who touts gun-rights as his biggest campaign item, and he's a total nut.
     
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    Yep I agree that he is unable to debate well in a timed format and he really hurt his chance by being so blunt about the war on terror. With that being said he is 100% correct.
     
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    He was talking about the previous times we were dinking around in the middle east in the 90's.
     
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    And the 1980s, 70s, 60s, 50s, 40, and 1930s.
     
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    Right, he was NOT singling out the previous Iraq war and its aftermath; that was meant only as one example. That's clear from listening to what he said, but it's not clear from the media's mischaracterization of what he said.
     
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    Unfortunetly to the masses Paul looked very bad. Even though most well informed people understood his meaning.
     
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    I enjoy being a contrarian to the contrarians, so I wish I knew more about the Middle East. Didn't the English develop modern oil facilities at their lawfully owned property (while the Arabs were riding around on camels) before the local governments nationalized all the hard work of the English? It's a lot like the Israelies and Palestinians -- each side may have blood on their hands, but Israel has a moral right to exist in peace since they've created a bastion of freedom and development in a worthless desert wasteland. Screw the talk about "Holy Land" that "my people" had the "God-given" right to a few thousand years ago. In the same way, the US may have screwed up foreign policy, but it doesn't give the Muslims right to fly planes into our buildings.

    From a purely pragmatic standpoint, however, maybe the non-interventionists have a point. Who knows: I think these kooks would probably find a way to impose their will on free people with whatever excuse they can find.
     
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    Yep, masses dumbed-down in public schools and brainwashed by the MSM do not know the history Dr. Paul referred to, so he looks bad. He also implied something about assuming responsibility for our past mistakes -this is, clearly, totally un-American. Yep, masses do not like the message, let's kill the messenger.
     
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    you guys are way too quick to sell out ron paul.

    MSNBC currently has him in the lead in their post-debate poll, with a 45% approval rating. nobody else is even close.
    Fox has him in a close 2nd place, with rudy a DISTANT 3rd place.

    KEEP IN MIND that the voters in the republican primary are HYPER CONSERVATIVE and what ron paul is saying resonates well with them.

    Ron has a good chance, and even if he doesn't win, he'll force everyone else to be a LOT more conservative, or expose them for the refuse they are.

    After listening to the rest of them, I would not now vote for Romney (i'd take hillary over Romney) and I'm much less enthusiastic about tancredo.
     
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    I have Tancredo with the win last night. Like others have said, he's warming up, shows comfort in being where he is & not stumbling over his words.

    I would advise reserving your negitive opions directed toward Dr. Paul. I'm sure if someone allows him the chance to elaborate on his comments you won't be so off the cuff with your conclusions.
     
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    I think Ron Paul being so closely tied to the "9/11 truth" movement will be a huge problem for him in the future, it has certainly lowered my opinion of him. I would really love an actual libertarian in the white house, but I'll settle for a Reaganesqe guy who doesn't sell us out on the gun-control issue, and isn't so enthusiastic about the war-on-drugs. Thompson/Paul would be a great ticket, IMHO.
     
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    Too many candidates, too boring. The right man, as Fox news stated in analysis after the debate, for the Republican Party has not yet been identified.

    Ron WHO? That's what most Americans think.
     
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    Well, it's easy enough to trim down the Republican candidates if that's what you want to do. Lop off McCain, Romney and Giuliani and you're down to 7 better qualified individuals already.

    Giuliani? Isn't he a New York democrat?

    And this guy says he "lived through" the 9/11 attack? Ha! What did he do, jump out the window when the planes struck? Give me a break! That was the cheesiest irrational emmotional outburst I've ever seen, he's stealing from the real victims of 9/11 and lying/making a strawman argument to try and defame Paul in the eyes of the masses. Yeah, real presidential material there, a mudslinging transvestite liar. That's some "front runner" right there, I tell you. Somehow I do think he's good material for the IRS or ATF, though.
     
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    Ron Paul was quoting the 911 Commission's final report. It is shame that Rudy Guilaini never read the report, one would think that he of all people would have been interested in what it said. But he said he had never heard of such a theroy so either he has lost his mind or he never read it, you decide...

    It explains in clear English the reasons that intel anaylsts in testimony to congress believe we were attacked. It also gives the reasons that Bin Laden gave for attacking the US, his former ally. The reasons of course being, troop occupation of SA, bombing Iraq continously and support for Isreal. *Gasp* *shock*. Yes they do not want us involved in their politics. But when all the other candidates up there proclaim that Islam is evil; that is a much easier answer, and this country is all about easy answers.

    Yes he is a real kook alright, repeating the congressional record.

    He also says he wants to get rid of the DHS in the middle of a war. What a kook! Now, last I checked the DHS was never near the war, and never have been. But what difference does that make? They make people feel safe! Even though we seemed to have fought and won a whole bunch of wars without them who is to say that this time won't be different?

    Creating the DHS improved the reaction time and resource allocation for FEMA just in time for Katrina and Rita made it all worth while. Certainly shutting down our borders lock tight like a drum to keep the terrorists out is working now.... What a kook he needs to go somewhere, where people read. The only thing I know for sure is that he will never, ever be elected president.

    Not like the Romney who said last night "I support the second ammendment but also the Assault Weapons Ban". Now he has a good shot with the vigorous support of Vito and other NEOCONs like him.... I had no idea Vito was for the AWB.... But you learn. At least Romney made it clear up front, he will ban guns....
     
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    Yep, masses dumbed-down in public schools and brainwashed by the MSM do not know the history Dr. Paul referred to, so he looks bad. He also implied something about assuming responsibility for our past mistakes -this is, clearly, totally un-American. Yep, masses do not like the message, let's kill the messenger.

    Ron Paul was quoting the 911 Commission's final report. It is shame that Rudy Guilaini never read the report, one would think that he of all people would have been interested in what it said. But he said he had never heard of such a theory so either he has lost his mind or he never read it, you decide...

    It explains in clear English the reasons that intel anaylsts in testimony to congress believe we were attacked. It also gives the reasons that Bin Laden gave for attacking the US, his former ally. The reasons of course being, troop occupation of Saudi Arabia, bombing Iraq continously and support for Israel. *Gasp* *shock*. Yes they do not want us involved in their politics. But when all the other candidates up there proclaim that Islam is evil; that is a much easier answer, and this country is all about easy answers.

    Yes he is a real kook alright, repeating the Congressional Record.


    Amen
     
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    Maybe everyone's just tired of criticism of America? Especially when the loudest complainers usually have their own problems? It's like black leaders complaining about white discrimination 60 years ago and trying to imply that the problems of the black community today are mostly the fault of modern white people. Maybe some of what they say is "100% correct" but it's not relevant and gets tiresome. It doesn't necessarily make one a sheep.

    I'm all for change, but the way people try to effect this one is really obnoxious, just like Al Sharpton is.

    I need another break from The High Road. I'm starting to hate the Internet again. ;)
     
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