Ghostrider_23
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I was wondering of the Seecamp 32, Beretta Tomcat 32 and the Kel-Tec 32, which is the better mouse gun??? Which one carries better, shoots more accurate and has better reliability?????
Seecamp 32 vs Kel-Tec 32 vs Beretta Tomcat
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silversport
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I think the Seecamp is smaller and better made and reliable than the others you mentioned...I have had my Seecamp for almost 18 years now trouble free but it is not shot a whole lot...
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denfoote
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Kel-Tec because that is what I actually own!!
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The N.A.A. Guardian has a better reliability reputation than the Kel Tec. The Guardian also shoots ANY ammo, unlike the Seecamp that is limited to 1-2 kinds. The Guardian is smaller than the Beretta. Choice is easy.
Seecamp!
But then I own a LS380. The Seecamps are head and shoulders above the Kel-Tec/berreta in quality IMO, althought the price also reflects that. Accuracy in a mouse gun isn`t very important. They are meant to last ditch belly to belly defence weapons, not as afternoon at the range shooters. The Seecamps actually don`t have sights at all. They all are more then accurate enough for this purpose though. If you want a shooter, get a pistol designed for it. If you want a "pocket" pistol for emergency defence, look for reliability, ease of concealment, non-snagging design. All of the named pistols represent this, and if they prove to be 100% reliable in your hands, IMO they all will work.
But then I own a LS380. The Seecamps are head and shoulders above the Kel-Tec/berreta in quality IMO, althought the price also reflects that. Accuracy in a mouse gun isn`t very important. They are meant to last ditch belly to belly defence weapons, not as afternoon at the range shooters. The Seecamps actually don`t have sights at all. They all are more then accurate enough for this purpose though. If you want a shooter, get a pistol designed for it. If you want a "pocket" pistol for emergency defence, look for reliability, ease of concealment, non-snagging design. All of the named pistols represent this, and if they prove to be 100% reliable in your hands, IMO they all will work.
I voted for the Keltec for the only reason that is what I own. I have carried this gun daily and it has been shot a good bit. It literally dissapears when carried so you never have to leave it behind. It shoots quiet accurately suprising actually. It has never malfunctioned short of I tried to shoot a box of "american ammo" through it. It is a great good and a better value. I am not knocking the others I am sure they are both great guns. I just have to vote for the one I know about and trust.
MICHAEL T
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I voted Kel Tec because I have. I want a Seecamp . Over all a better made pistol. But you can buy 2 KT for about price of a Seecamp.
Beretta please to thick heavy and terrible trigger.
Beretta please to thick heavy and terrible trigger.
Joe Demko
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The Keltec is superior to all others in weight.
The Guardian, which you neglected to include, is superior to the Keltec in accuracy and will almost certainly work correctly straight from the box with no fluffing, buffing or other home gunsmithing needed. The Guardian is cheaper than the Seecamp and works with a greater variety of ammo. The Guardian is substantially less bulky than the Beretta.
The Guardian, which you neglected to include, is superior to the Keltec in accuracy and will almost certainly work correctly straight from the box with no fluffing, buffing or other home gunsmithing needed. The Guardian is cheaper than the Seecamp and works with a greater variety of ammo. The Guardian is substantially less bulky than the Beretta.
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Apples and oranges. The Seecamp is all stainless, the Beretta has a crudmetal frame, and the Kel-Tec is made of an even more inferior material. If you consider them only as efficient short lifespan carry guns either one will do fine. If you want a treasure to own for a lifetime go Seecamp. The top section of the Kel-Tec is 4140 steel, there is nothing better than that, the reciever is crudmetal, and the frame is plsticrud.
Ala Dan
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I voted for the Seecamp LWS-32, as its the only one I actually own~!
Never had much liking for the KEL-TEC P32, or the Beretta Tom-Cat 32. The
reason? Every new P-32 I have sold, has been returned for continous FTF
the last round from the magazine; and the Beretta is just too damn large~!
Never had much liking for the KEL-TEC P32, or the Beretta Tom-Cat 32. The
reason? Every new P-32 I have sold, has been returned for continous FTF
the last round from the magazine; and the Beretta is just too damn large~!
ArchAngelCD
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If you want a pistol that will last a very long time buy the Seecamp LWS-32. If you want something that's VERY light to slip into your back pocket buy the Kel-Tec P-32. (like I did) Accuracy with a short barrel pistol is all about practice, both will shoot as well as you do. Sorry I can't vote for either because I don't know what your weight requirement is but I wouldn't vote for the Beretta.
IMO both have their place and IMO neither are considered a "mouse gun."
IMO both have their place and IMO neither are considered a "mouse gun."
Bobo
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In most cases the Kel-Tec will last as long as you have it (lifetime warranty). That should be long enough for most people.
Unless you want to take it with you.
Unless you want to take it with you.
PX15
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JMOFO:
Had, or have 'em all..
1. Beretta Tomcat (1st series) was a pos, with Beretta CS/Warranty worse.
(I've heard the later series Tomcats were beefed up, and are better)
2. Keltec P32. My P32 has been excellent. It looks like a toy, but does an excellent job, especially for it's cost. KT Service I hear is excellent.
3. NAA Guardian. My Guardian has been excellent, CS is excellent.
4. Seecamp.. I have two* LWS32's, with another LWS32 and LWS380 in the pipeline. Absolute top quality, two decades of proven reliability (once you find out which of the hp rounds it likes) and is s m a l l and conceals better than the rest.
If you just want a short term carry mousegun I would suggest the KelTec and NAA will do the job quite well.
If you want a pistol for life, to hand down to your heirs, get a Seecamp.
Just my opinion, YMMV
Best Wishes,
J.Pomeroy
* Ok, one is my wifes...
Had, or have 'em all..
1. Beretta Tomcat (1st series) was a pos, with Beretta CS/Warranty worse.
(I've heard the later series Tomcats were beefed up, and are better)
2. Keltec P32. My P32 has been excellent. It looks like a toy, but does an excellent job, especially for it's cost. KT Service I hear is excellent.
3. NAA Guardian. My Guardian has been excellent, CS is excellent.
4. Seecamp.. I have two* LWS32's, with another LWS32 and LWS380 in the pipeline. Absolute top quality, two decades of proven reliability (once you find out which of the hp rounds it likes) and is s m a l l and conceals better than the rest.
If you just want a short term carry mousegun I would suggest the KelTec and NAA will do the job quite well.
If you want a pistol for life, to hand down to your heirs, get a Seecamp.
Just my opinion, YMMV
Best Wishes,
J.Pomeroy
* Ok, one is my wifes...
brownie0486
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I own a Keltec 32, I owned a Beretta 32, I own a seecamp 32 and have owned three others before this one.
The Keltec is a good reliable 32.
The seecamp is the quintessential 32.
Which of the two [ Keltec or Seecamp ] do I carry every day?
The seecamp. In the final analysis, it is more reliable than the Keltec, and will last longer than the rest.
You buy quality and reliability when you buy seecamp. It only hurts once to spend the money for one, but you then have the 32 that all others are judged by.
Brownie
The Keltec is a good reliable 32.
The seecamp is the quintessential 32.
Which of the two [ Keltec or Seecamp ] do I carry every day?
The seecamp. In the final analysis, it is more reliable than the Keltec, and will last longer than the rest.
You buy quality and reliability when you buy seecamp. It only hurts once to spend the money for one, but you then have the 32 that all others are judged by.
Brownie
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tackleberi
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Seecamp for all the reasons the above posters mentioned. The quality is superlative; handle one once, and the gun speaks for itself.
The ammunition limitation-only one or two brands-is somewhat dated. While the older 32's were designed for Winchester Silvertips only, the list of recommended ammo has increased considerably. Check seecamp.com for the current recommended list; most of the popular brands work. I use Speer GDHP's in mine.
The ammunition limitation-only one or two brands-is somewhat dated. While the older 32's were designed for Winchester Silvertips only, the list of recommended ammo has increased considerably. Check seecamp.com for the current recommended list; most of the popular brands work. I use Speer GDHP's in mine.
usp9
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I've only fired someone else's Keltec once before, so that's not real experience. The amount of negative comment makes me think it is of dubious reliability. As the price goes up it looks less and less attractive.
No experience with the Beretta other than fondling. It's heavy.
The Seecamp I've had for years. It has been utterly reliable. While it mostly digests Silver Tips and Gold Dots, it has also been perfect with Hornady, Cor Bon, Fiocchi, and some custom loads. Seecamp is not as picky as it's rep. Mine is twenty years old and I think I'll easily get another twenty out of her. As Seecamp prices have fallen to Guardian levels the choice is clear...for the money the best gun and the best buy, IMHO, is the Seecamp.
No experience with the Beretta other than fondling. It's heavy.
The Seecamp I've had for years. It has been utterly reliable. While it mostly digests Silver Tips and Gold Dots, it has also been perfect with Hornady, Cor Bon, Fiocchi, and some custom loads. Seecamp is not as picky as it's rep. Mine is twenty years old and I think I'll easily get another twenty out of her. As Seecamp prices have fallen to Guardian levels the choice is clear...for the money the best gun and the best buy, IMHO, is the Seecamp.
DAdams
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Seecamp
I have a Seecamp 380, hence Seecamp is my vote. But I would try a NA .32, I like the add-ons available for the NAs.
Two KTs for the price of a Seecamp and what do you have? Two KTs.
I have a Seecamp 380, hence Seecamp is my vote. But I would try a NA .32, I like the add-ons available for the NAs.
Two KTs for the price of a Seecamp and what do you have? Two KTs.
ArchAngelCD
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The Seecamp weighs twice what the Kel-Tec does and the NAA weighs even more than the Seecamp.. If you are going to pocket carry the Kel-Tec is best. The NAA is 13.6 oz, I would carry a J frame before a 14 oz .32 Auto.
All weighs are for empty pistols:
The P-32 weighs 6.6 oz.
NAA Guardian .32 Auto is 13.6 oz.
NAA Guardian .32 Auto is 18.7 oz.
The Seecamp .32 Auto and .380 Auto weigh 11.5 oz.
The Beretta .32 is 14.5 oz.
I'm talking about having a handgun for 30+ trouble free years like an old S&W revolver without having to send it back to the manufacturer. Kel-Tec tells you right on their site the P-32 and P-3AT will need parts changed at around 5000 rounds fired.
All weighs are for empty pistols:
The P-32 weighs 6.6 oz.
NAA Guardian .32 Auto is 13.6 oz.
NAA Guardian .32 Auto is 18.7 oz.
The Seecamp .32 Auto and .380 Auto weigh 11.5 oz.
The Beretta .32 is 14.5 oz.
Ummm, bobo,
I'm talking about having a handgun for 30+ trouble free years like an old S&W revolver without having to send it back to the manufacturer. Kel-Tec tells you right on their site the P-32 and P-3AT will need parts changed at around 5000 rounds fired.
ArchAngelCD
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Seecamp LWS32
Empty Weigh: 11.5 oz.
Loaded Weight: 13.25 oz.
Capacity: 6+1
Height: 3.25"
Slide Width: .725"
Grip Width: .86"
Length: 4.25"
Kel-Tec P-32
Empty Weigh: 6.65 oz.
Loaded Weight: 8.80 oz.
Capacity: 7+1
Height: 3.5"
Slide Width: .745"
Grip Width: .70"
Length: 5.08"
"The Seecamp is considerably smaller?"
Sorry, slightly smaller I agree but it's anything but considerably smaller!!
All that said, I own a P-32 but the Seecamp is an outstanding pistol. I only wish I could afford one.
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Seecamp. The quintessential "always" gun that always works.
Princi
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Well, I never gave it much thought, but I have all three and their purchase order was: Beretta, Kel-Tec, Seecamp. I found the Tomcat to be susceptable to jamming, and I've never carried it.
The Kel-Tec never jammed, but I was really never comfortable shooting it. Consequently, I never carried it either.
I did carry the Seecamp for awhile in a pocket holster. An interesting thing happened with it one day at a local chain store. I was looking at the NAA Guardian and mentioned that I was carrying the Seecamp. The store wasn't busy so I asked the two guys behind the counter if they wanted to see it. They did.
Since I had it in a pocket holster, I removed it from my pocket and handed it to them. Behind the counter they removed it from the holster and unloaded it. They then compared it to the NAA and were very impressed with the quality of the Seecamp. Personally I never thought that there was that much difference, but when they pointed out the fit and finish it was obvious.
Question: do you expect to trust your life to the pistol? As much as I trust the Seecamp, I no longer carry it. I now carry a S&W Airlite revolver in a pocket holster. However, I wouldn't hesitate to carry the Seecamp again. I'd probably also consider carrying the Kel-Tec, but I wouldn't the Tomcat because I didn't find it reliable and it is heavy and bulky.
The Kel-Tec never jammed, but I was really never comfortable shooting it. Consequently, I never carried it either.
I did carry the Seecamp for awhile in a pocket holster. An interesting thing happened with it one day at a local chain store. I was looking at the NAA Guardian and mentioned that I was carrying the Seecamp. The store wasn't busy so I asked the two guys behind the counter if they wanted to see it. They did.
Since I had it in a pocket holster, I removed it from my pocket and handed it to them. Behind the counter they removed it from the holster and unloaded it. They then compared it to the NAA and were very impressed with the quality of the Seecamp. Personally I never thought that there was that much difference, but when they pointed out the fit and finish it was obvious.
Question: do you expect to trust your life to the pistol? As much as I trust the Seecamp, I no longer carry it. I now carry a S&W Airlite revolver in a pocket holster. However, I wouldn't hesitate to carry the Seecamp again. I'd probably also consider carrying the Kel-Tec, but I wouldn't the Tomcat because I didn't find it reliable and it is heavy and bulky.
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