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Seecamp 32

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Noxx, Aug 27, 2007.

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  1. Noxx

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    This little pocket gun is pretty high on my "next" list. I've read many favorable reviews around the web, I'm wondering if we have some owners here at THR who could provide a little feedback?
     
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  3. mjrodney

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    A range rat I know owns one, and other than a bad mag release that had to be looked at, he remains content with it.
     
  4. SX1guy

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    The 380 is the more desirable Seacamp but both are nice guns...
     
  5. ReadyFreddy23

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    I bought a used Seecamp .32 and love it. It slides into my front right pocket (in a pocket holster) and disappears. Nobody and I mean nobody can tell that I'm carrying.

    I don't feel as self conscious with the Seecamp as I do carrying my HK USP compact or 1911. When I'm carrying either of the larger handguns (IWB), I feel like I might be printing. Or I feel like I'm keeping my right arm hanging down unnaturally.

    The Seecamp is an American work of art. It's all steel. It's dependable. Larry Seecamp provides great customer service. Yes, it costs more than a Kel-Tec but to me it's well worth it. Also, I believe they hold their values better for potential re-sale.
     
  6. mavracer

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    mine's perfect 10+ years no malfunctions.love it
     
  7. loadedround

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    My Seecamp SWC-32 is like my American Express card...I never leave home without it! as the others do, mine rides in my side pocket in a pistol wallet. No one ever know it's there, even with shorts on. I fire a box ayear of ammo and it has never "burped" once.
     
  8. Walkalong

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    Mine has run fine with a variety of factory HP's and my handloaded 71 Gr. FMJ's. Very easy to conceal. Comfortable to shoot.
     
  9. 1 old 0311

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    Doesn't the Seecamp only have a one year warranty? Kel-Tec, and N.A.A. have lifetime. Got to be a reason.
     
  10. STAGE 2

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    From Larry Seecamp himself...

    "Up to this stage in company history, the warranty cards have meant nothing in the way of warranty work.

    We've still never charged anyone for parts or labor on warranty work ~ even though the official warranty is one year. We did, however, very recently start to charge a flat minimal $50.00 fee for shipping and handling on work not related to product related problems ~ work such as pistol refinishing, trigger pull work or work related to operator created problems. This minimal fee doesn't begin to cover our costs of doing the work. Walk in customers still have been getting these services for free.

    The warranty cards have been there mostly to give us a record of customers to notify in the event we offer new products."


    Show me another company who you can talk to the owner (who is an actualy firearms guru rather than just a ceo) on a daily basis.

    I absolutely love my seecamp 32. Its one of the few firearms I own that under no circumstances that I will ever part with. I have shot both the 32 and the 380 and much prefer the 32. If you want to shoot a 380 then get a larger pistol. The seecamp is designed to be forgotten in a pocket.

    You will simply not find a better made .32 pocket pistol. It is truly craftsmanship.
     
  11. usp9

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    What STAGE 2 said. My Seecamp is a jewel. Works every time. Every collection should have one. I carry mine in my front pocket. I wonder why 1 old 0311 repeatedly posts this one year warranty crap? Do you own a Seecamp? Personally, I've been offer several free services by the Seecamp Co. It is a A++ business to deal with.
     
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    Hi USP,

    Read the Seecamp site. THEIR WARRANTY IS ONE YEAR. THAT is legal, a promise ISN'T.
     
  13. Ala Dan

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    Don't worry about the warranty, as chances are really good that you will
    never need it~! I own a Seecamp LWS-32 myself, and I'm here too tell
    you its one fine firearm. Bought it NIB a couple or three years ago, and
    glad I did; as we have not been able to obtain any more of 'em~! ;):D
     
  14. ReadyFreddy23

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    1 old 0311,

    I hope I don't offend anyone with this analogy.

    Honda and Toyota are known for producing reliable cars. Because they are so reliable, they have the shortest warranty in the mass produced auto industry (3yrs/36,000 miles). Hyundai/Kia offers (10yr/100,000 miles). Honda and Toyota have the best resale values.

    If money were no object and you only had the choice to buy Honda, Toyota, or Hyundai/Kia, would you buy the Hyundai/Kia because it has a longer warranty. Probably not. I know I didn't.

    People have to offer longer warranties with inferior products to persuade people to buy their products.
     
  15. DAdams

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    Warranty

    S&W's stated warranty is one year. I think it is safe to say that when it comes to defects in workmanship and materials they will cover the purchase long after the warranty has "legally" expired.

    Seecamp is a small company that puts out a few hundred pistols per year. Their life blood is a niche product (finest 32 and 380 out there) hand built to excruciating standards.
    If there is a problem they will take care of it. Legally, they don't have to if they absolutely don't want to. A warranty is part of a Corporate shield.

    I have recently spent about 5 hours researching the Seecamp and Rohrbaugh product lines and lurking or participating in their forums. Go check it out, read the threads, observe the corporate culture. Par Excellence.

    You don't have to have the finest product on the planet to fully stand behind it. Look at KelTec. Inexpensive, high volume and high return rate. They stand behind their product as-well. Different operating philosophy same results. Good customer service and stand behind the product beyond the warranty.
     
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    Maybe as one becomes a little older, and wiser, they realize that a WRITTEN WARRANTY is a binding contract. Doesn't matter if it is TV, toaster, DVD player, or firearm. Your purchase is LEGALLY WARRANTEED for the WRITTEN time frame. What the guy in the appliance store, or gun shop says, or what one reads on a web site, is worth a 'bit less.'
    If you don't let stupidity, or naivety, determine where you spend your money. Your life will go a lot smoother. :)
     
  17. alamo

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    Maybe you're not old enough yet to know that a warranty is only as good as the company and people standing behind it :)

    Larry Seecamp is the L.W. Seecamp company. There is no company without him. He has demonstrated for many, many years that he stands behind his pistols. When you're dealing with a very small company like Seecamp, that is more important than a warranty.
     
  18. ReadyFreddy23

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    Since you didn't specifically respond to my analogy, I'll ask you again. If you could only choose between Honda, Toyota, Hyundai/Kia would you buy Hyundai/Kia because they have a longer warranty?
     
  19. PX15

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    I am a recent addition to the extended www.seecamp.com forum family. I bought a new LWS32 several months ago, and it is without a doubt the finest pistol I've ever owned, period.

    I've owned a Tomcat in the past (pos),I still own a P32 and NAA Guardian.. The KT and NAA are in fact very good pistols. IMO they are not in the same league with the Seecamp pistol. I have never found a more concealable cc pistol than my LWS32. Immediately after I got my LWS32 my wife threatened to "confiscate" it for her own use.. So we bought her one. She loves it.

    In the Seecamp you are basically buying a semi-custom built firearm. Every pistol passes thru Larry Seecamps hands, and if you knew anything about the character of the person Larry Seecamp you would know he stands by his products.. New, used, whatever. Time and time again I have seen a person come on the forum with a perceived problem and in a very short period of time Larry will have resolved that situation for him/her.. We seem to get more new, happy forum members that way....

    Is there a "downside" to the Seecamp pistol?

    To some people, yes. That downside is the fact that because of the very nature of it's size and construction it IS ammo sensitive.. The 25cal Seecamps were designed around using the Winchester Silvertip HP. That stubby round works perfectly, and if you use that as recommended you have no downside..

    The LWS32 and to my understanding the LWS380 are designed with the Winchester Silvertip in mind (+others), altho with all LWS380's and all LWS32's after serial number 31000 any hp round that will fit and fire in the pistols are acceptable. (The strength of the stainless steel was upgraded to handle the additional stress produced by the 380 rd. and the 32's benefited for the same reason.)

    The LWS25, LWS32, LWS380 are for all practical purposes the exact same size. Place them along side each other and you cannot tell any difference.

    If you care to monitor the www.seecamp.com forum you will find all the information you need on any aspect of the Seecamp pistol.. Larry Seecamp is on the forum quite often, and in fact has a "Ask Larry Seecamp" sub-section should you chose to go directly to the top with a question, or problem.

    My wife and I have found our particular Seecamps feed Speer Gold Dots like corn thru a goose, and that's our choice of carry rounds. Larry recommends several other brands of ammo on the forum. If he doesn't know about a certain round he will tell you.

    I can tell you this. I am almost 65 years old. I have owned one or more firearms since I was 12. I have or have had: Colts/Smiths/Sigs/Keltecs/Stars/Bersas/Firestorms/Rugers/Charter Arms/High Standard/Walthers/Brownings/Bollister Molinas, and probably a few I've forgotten.

    Each of these firearms have had a warranty of some type if they were bought new.. That warranty was good for a year, or a lifetime depending on the manufacturer.

    I would take a Seecamp pistol with NO written warranty from Larry Seecamp over any LIFETIME Warranty from the "big boys" because I know the history and reputation of the Seecamp family, and the Seecamp firearms company and it's better by far than any large corporation IMO.

    I think there are some folks on this thread who put wayyy too much value on the "written word warranty"..

    Don't take anybody's word on the Seecamp.. Monitor the forum for a while and see how few complaints are voiced, and how those few are handled by Larry Seecamp. See how the folks who actually own the Seecamp firearms feel about them, and then compare what you find to other manufacturer dedicated firearm forums.

    There is a reason that Larry Seecamp sells every Seecamp he makes.. The Seecamp pistol has a decades old reputation for absolute top quality in manufacture and materials, absolute top quality in reliability, and fantastic customer satisfaction and Seecamp company support.

    The Seecamp line of pistols are not just the best.. They are the VERY BEST, and 2nd place is not even close. If you wish to own the "Rolex" of mouseguns, get a Seecamp.. If Seecamp made a larger pistol, it too would be the Rolex in comparison to other larger firearms. Top quality products and personal integrity are rarely found in today's society, but both qualities are alive and well at Seecamp. Top quality in the product, outstanding personal integrity in Larry Seecamp the person.

    JMOFO

    Best Wishes,

    J. Pomeroy

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  20. wild billz

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    cost of seecamps?

    so what is the MSRP for the 32 and/ or 380 Seecamps? At the local gunshow this weekend I saw 1 32 used for $500. I saw a NAA 32 used for $380. Letecs were all $270 and up, though I did see 1 used P3at for 245. I'm interested in the 380 version, how much do I need to lay out, also they are as rare as hen teeth around here, do you order through the factory?

    thanks, and no intent to highjack this thread.
     
  21. Ala Dan

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    Don't know about the LWS-380; but the last Seecamp LWS-32's we had in
    stock were sold for $459.88@, NIB with all doc's~! ;):D
     
  22. wild billz

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    thanks, how's that compare with the prices of NAAs
     
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    FYI

    Back 10+ years ago a LNIB Seecamp 32 was selling for about $600.
    Even at that price it would only last a day or two before somebody snatch it up. Highest price I heard is $800 for a LNIB one in 1994 or 1995. I'm sure there were people who paid $1,000 or more for one back then.
     
  24. PX15

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    NEW Seecamps can be purchased online from several dealers (at least two I know of on the www.seecamp forum) for "around" $400. I paid Ron Gilstrap of Alvin, Tx. $380+20 shipping about two months ago. New production, 47,xxx. Retail I think is $425.

    Seecamp LWS380's are PRICY.. $795 retail. You can order one and expected delivery time will be roughly a year. Scalpers on various sites on the net are asking up to $1200. LWS380's are in the same situation now as the LWS32's were several years ago. Low production, high demand.

    If you want a cheap 380 then KT has their P3AT which I've heard is a very good pistol..

    I don't want a "very good" pistol.. In defense of my life as a cc weapon I want the VERY BEST.. In 380cal, That's the Seecamp LWS380.

    With the Seecamp you won't have "pins backing out" or "breaking parts", and iffy reliability.. You get what you pay for.

    Another thought.. In many folks minds the jury is still out on whether or not the 380rd as fired thru a small mousegun is really much better than a 32rd. Using quality self defense ammo just personally I don't think there's that much difference.

    I'd been cc a 32cal pistol for years and felt perfectly armed. When I finally was able to purchase a Seecamp I realized it is simply the absolute best cc mousegun you can buy and I feel well armed with it.

    I don't even know if I'll like the increased recoil of the LWS380, but I want one anyway.

    I should think a person could spend roughly $400 on a new LWS32 and be "good to go".. If you are a person who thinks the 380rd is significantly better, then you can worry about getting a LWS380.

    Whatever you chose you won't lose any money on a Seecamp.. Check the prices of "used" Seecamps.

    Is the Seecamp LWS380 @ $795 worth three P3AT's?

    Well to me it would be. YMMV.

    Best Wishes,

    J. Pomeroy

    P.S. I'm afraid I'm turning into a "Seecamp pistol homer".. I really have developed a fondness for the fine little jewels. Seecamp. Here's a photo of my favorite mousegun as compared to my favorite 9mm full size Walther P99/AS.
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  25. wild billz

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    PX15

    Thanks for the input. I was wanting the 380 just because I've always heard its the minimum defensive round, plus I didn't want to add another rather expensive caliber (32)to the collection, though it wouldn't be shot much

    I've been attracted to the concept of the Kel tecs, but can't bring myself to own one, especially for my always carry piece. I don’t want to have to fluff and buff, or go back to the factory

    I guess I need to decide if 32 is enough, and I really want a quality weapon

    Comparisons to the NAA? Those are available locally
     
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