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Seecamp wallet holster 1 in the chamber

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by 98s1lightning, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. 98s1lightning

    98s1lightning Member

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    I'm sure this is going to sound like stupid question to most. Consider a Seecamp in a Bear Creek Wallet Holster (or any double action pocket gun riding in a holster that shrouds the trigger)

    Is there any reason you wouldn't carry one in the chamber?

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  2. Patocazador

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    Why carry if you can't use it?

    Yes, it sounds like a question that doesn't need an answer.
     
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  3. 98s1lightning

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    I like to read and discuss different views on the subject. I think that's what these forums are about.
     
  4. Tallball

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    I always have a round in the chamber when I carry. As long as the holster covers the trigger, why not? Modern firearms are drop proof.
     
  5. 98s1lightning

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    Yea, the seecamp is a good design to carry chambered, double action to keep from any possible accidents on draw, flush fit hammer for drop safety etc.

    I carry a different gun NOT chambered up front, appendix, I'm too worried that no matter how much training, it's too easy to make a mistake on a draw if in a life or death situation when you needed it. I'd rather take the chance on one extra second to rack one then either living the rest of my life with no man parts or ending my own by accident.
     
  6. Ohen Cepel

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    Little use if its not loaded.
     
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  7. Iggy

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    Had one loaded in my pocket for over 10 years.. So far, so good.:evil::D
     
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  8. Pat Riot

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    I would recommend lots of practice properly pulling your firearm.
     
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  9. MikeInOr

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    I never carry my guns loaded. I also push my car around everywhere I go because cars are too dangerous when there is gas in the tank. I figure that if I ever have to drive somewhere in an emergency I will just fill up my car then.
     
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  10. Walkalong

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    I always carried my Seecamp with one in the chamber. The trigger and your brain is your safety. Safe, IMHO, as it would be very hard for a snag to fire it due to length of pull and shrouded "hammer".
     
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  11. scaatylobo

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    IF it "shrouds the hammer" why carry it at all ?.

    If you CCW with the intent to use it to save your life ,it better be as ready AND easy to access as possible with safety in mind.

    If you think you would have the time to take the pistol out of that wallet holster and then use it ----- WRONG.

    Covered trigger is a no no,better off with a pocket sheath and a fully loaded and ready to rock pistol.
     
  12. MedWheeler

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    The Seecamp, as mentioned, is safe to carry in virtually any manner with a chambered round in place. The combination of a long, double-action trigger and a shielded hammer (won't snag on anything and become cocked) leaves no possibility of discharge without deliberation or negligence.

    Most of the polymer-framed, pocket-sized .380 caliber pistols are also safe to carry chambered for the same reasons. These include the Ruger LCP, Kel-Tec P3-AT, Taurus TCP/Spectrum, S&W Bodyguard 380, and Remington RM380. I'm just putting those out there in case you (or anyone else perusing this thread) become interested in avoiding the Seecamp's price point. Another option, markedly-similar to the Seecamp in design and operation, is the North American Arms Guardian.

    Unfortunately, this will quickly deteriorate into another "chambered-vs-unchambered-carry" thread, despite the fact that you asked a specific question about a specific pistol, and are clearly already interested in learning to feel safe while carrying chambered. You don't specify which pistol you're now carrying chamber-empty, but there are certainly a lot that I would only carry the same way were I stuck with one of them.
     
  13. 98s1lightning

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    Thanks for the replies
     
  14. herrwalther

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    There are very few firearms I would recommend carrying with an empty trigger in specific holsters. Any Seecamp model is not among them.
     
  15. bluecollar

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    My suggestion has always been that if you are too concerned to carry a semi loaded carry a revolver. Problem solved.
     
  16. 340PD

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    Sold my Seecamp and bought two LCP's. Talon wallet holster and fully loaded gun in my back pocket every time I go for a walk.
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  17. 351 WINCHESTER

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    Decades ago we had wallet holsters for Bretta .25's & H & R .22 mag. derringers. Then ATF classified them different & I didn't see them anymore. I read somewhere where they require a tax stamp. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
     
  18. 98s1lightning

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    Why'd u sell your seecamp?
     
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    351 WINCHESTER writes:

    It appears the wallet holsters reclassified by the BATF were those that fully enclosed the gun while still allowing it to be fired. They were associated usually with derringers or revolvers, since fully-enclosing an autoloader left no means for the slide to cycle or a spent case to be ejected.

    The current crop that leaves the slide fully exposed, allowing it to cycle and eject, are not so classified, but still may be restricted by state or local law; this also applies to wallet holsters that conceal a gun, but do not allow it to be fired while so concealed.
     
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  20. 340PD

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    It was a .32 and hard to shoot as distance. I felt more comfortable shooting the LCP II not to mention the larger caliber.
     
  21. 98s1lightning

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    I just put 50 rnds thru mine and am IMPRESSED with accuracy of this no sights micro pistol. I would say from varying distances of approximately 7 to 12 yards I put 80% of shots on a Large Pizza sized area. I'm very happy with that.
     
  22. 98s1lightning

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    Recoil doesn't bother me much but is very sharp. I drew blood towards the end from "beavertail" grip area/grips biting me. I probably won't modify the grips because it may be hard to make the plastic look like I haven't worked there.
     
  23. 98s1lightning

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    Rear pocket/wallet?

    You always sit on it no worries? Jump in the truck with it in wallet holster and go?

    I ended up with a bear creek it's nice.
     
  24. Vonderek

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    Just a nanny note about rear pocket carry. I used to carry a NAA Guardian in my rear pocket for years until a distracted jackass in a pickup truck rearended me at speed while i was stopped at a red light. Caused a chronic injury in the sacroilliac joint where the gun was. Very painful injury that required rehab and continues to plague me 15 years later. Just an FYI.
     
  25. Walt Sherrill

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    The underlying assumption with your current carry method is 1) you are by yourself and you're not going to have to guide a companion out of harm's way, 2) your attacker will give you the time needed to draw your weapon and rack the slide, and 3) you will have both hands free to rack that slide -- and won't be using one of your hands to block a blow from your attacker if he or she has a club or knife.

    This discussion assumes that your attacker has a knife, club, or is a brawler; if your attacker has a firearm, your only hope is that something will distract him/her so that you can go for your weapon.

    You are rightly concerned about mistakes made during the draw (using appendix carry), but seem unconcerned about the time and effort required to make your weapon ready for action!

    Someone coming at you from 20-21 feet away can be on you before you can draw your weapon and chamber a round, and this assumes you are aware that an attack is coming! (If your attacker has a firearm, he or she already has a nearly insurmountable advantage.
    A test! Ask a friend to help you evaluate your response time.
    • You start with an empty chamber, and an empty magazine holding only a snap cap or two, with the weapon carried as you described it above.
    • Let your friend start from about 20' -22' in front of you, with you starting your draw as soon as he starts to move toward you (as quickly as he can). He can fake a blow, or work to keep you from getting your weapon out and ready for use.
    Keep in mind, too, that this isn't really a true test, because YOU already KNOW an attack is coming.

    Having a chambered round in a small semi-auto pocket pistol would certainly reduce the "get ready" time considerably, and it would also let you use your weak hand to protect yourself from someone attacking your physically with knife or club.

    I'd argue that your current carry practice, cited above, is a bit like having medical insurance from a company that went out of business: its just as good as any other medical insurance UNTIL you need it.
     
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