Seeking Remington Rolling Block Info

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  1. mohican

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    I am looking at a Rollingblock in 45-70.

    It is on consignment.
    The gun is supposed to be restocked Remington Rolling BLock.

    The barrel is Octogon at the breech and stock and transforms to a heavy round barrel. The bluing has some wear, the stock is a nice walnut, and at the end of the front stock there is a silver cap. it is a single trigger gun. The bore is pristine.

    The barrel is marked 45-70 Creedmore. Is this a Remington marking?

    I see no markings to indicate that it's one of the repros.

    Any help, or opinions would be appreciated.

    PS - weather this is an original gun from Remington parts, or a repro or a compilation I feel it is a very good fit, attractive and worth the asking price. This is not finding fault with any aspects, and I will probably spring even if it a full of partial repro. I do want to know what it really is.
     
  2. Jim Watson

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    Creedmore?
    The correct term is Creedmoor, although often misspelled after the era.
    I figure you have a repro, although it may be on a Remington action.
    Can you get pictures?
     
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    Many, many original military and commercial Remington RBs were made into 45-70s in the sixties and seventies. Numrich offered an octagonal barrel, stock and forend for the unbelievable price of $48...I bought one and built mine on an early smokeless action.
    Mine was quite accurate...I put Redfield aperture sights on, front and rear, and was able to stay in the magic MOA at 100 and have one group in my file from 200 that measured 3 5/16".
    Black is the way to go for these, most are rifled 1 in 20 to 1 in 28".
    I used one case, decapped and primed for each shot. 5 grains of DuPont shotgun smokeless, 55 grains of FFg Dupont, and a card, grease, card wad on top of the powder. Bullet was seated just into the rifling.
    There ought to be some marking somewhere on the gun to indicate where/when it was manufactured. Might have to pull the forend to see proof marks.
    Otherwise, I'd bet it was built up on a military action.
     
  4. Don McDowell

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    It's most likely an Italian import reproduction, or something someone rebuilt and misspelled Creedmoor. A Remington Creedmoor gun would of been in 44 caliber, either a bottle neck or a straight case, have a pistol gripped stock and most likely checkering and fancy wood and forend cap.
    Remington did do a rolling block rifle a few years back on a limited run in 45-70 and I believe they had a Creedmoor addition, you can still see those in their custom shop page on the web.
     
  5. tark

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    Most likely a modern Remington reproduction of a few years back. A real Creedmoor gun from the 1800s would be a 44-100 or something like that. I forget the exact caliber. I believe the original Creedmoor guns all had set triggers as well. I do know that none of the originals were in 45-70.
     
  6. Don McDowell

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    Nope by rule in the original Creedmoor matches all triggers were single with a pull weight of no less than 3 lbs.
     
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    Thank you Don, I just learned something!
     
  8. mohican

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    Thanks to all who took the time to respond.

    If Numrich sold 45-70 barrels, then this might be such a gun.
     
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    Did Remington (in the original rolling block era) make any 45-70s (creedmoor or not)?
     
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    Another question on this - what are thoughts on rechambering for 45-100 or 45-110?
     
  11. Don McDowell

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    Tark, you're welcome. There was also a 10 lb weight limit on those rifles, and no artificial support was allowed, unless you were a one armed man, and then it was ok to leave your wooden arm on..
     
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    Remington made some .45-70s, although most of their market was overseas in various 11mm Whatevers. Many Rolling Block actions have been rebarrelled to .45-70 cheap from Numrich or fancy from Lone Star.

    You have to be careful about long rounds in a Rolling Block, they have to go over a hump to get over the breechblock into the chamber. Ken Waters found the .45 RCBS (.45 x 2.75") to be about the maximum.
    Do you plan to use black powder exclusively and shoot at considerable long range?
    If not, .45-70 smokeless will do all that the gun will handle.
     
  13. Don McDowell

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    Mohican, while Remington did make some rollers in the 45-70 it's pretty doubtful they made a Creedmoor in 45-70. The 45-70 was more of a sporting cartridge than a target, as the twist rate used at the time was 20-22 inches and anything over a 500 gr bullet isn't dependable at distance in those twist rates. Also the most common loading in the 45-70 at the time was with the 1.1 inch long bullet either patched or grooved.
    If the rifle you are looking at was/is a Remington built gun, it will be so marked on the barrel and the tang.
    Most likely it's an original action of some sort that someone rebarreled and restocked.
    Rechambering to the longer cases, probably not a good idea, cases over 2.4 inches long have troubles chambering in that action, without some modifications to the hammer spur.
     
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    Interesting to note that the Creedmoor matches were held in what would become part of NYC, now the borough of Queens.

    The site is currently home to a state psychiatric hospital, also named Creedmoor.
     
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    Don!! I just learned some more! Thanks again. I love rolling blocks, and I have three, a pristine 1902 in 7mm, and two I made out of blocks of steel, a 45-70 and a 30-06. I'm gonna get another block of 4140 soon (steel ain't cheap!)and build one in 458 Mag, just for the hell of it. I'm not worried about pressures, my 30-06 was proofed at 80,000 PSI with a French (yes!) proof round.
     
  16. mohican

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    Again - thanks to everyone. I will see if the gunshop will let me pull the forarm (stock) and if I purchase it I will post it and a range report.
     
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    Why pull the forearm? Any makers marks will be on the top or side flats. If it's a Pedersoli or Uberti it'll have the Italian proof house marks on the side and bottom of the action.
    If it's an original action rebarreled, it'll likely have the proof dates marked on one side or the other of the action.
     
  18. mohican

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    There are no visible marks except for on the barrel by the rear site dovetail which says 45-70 CREEDMORE - and I've been told that it is misspelled and the the CREEDMOOR were in 44 cal in original Remingtons. There are no markings that I can see on the receiver.

    If this is a rebarreled original rolling block what should a range of values be?

    If its a compilation or a somehow unmarked repro what would it's value be?

    The bore as mentioned is pristine so I'm confident in getting a load of something or other to work in it.
     
  19. Don McDowell

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    How much are they asking for it?
     
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