Seekins Precision PH2--what have you heard?

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I haven't seen too many reviews on the Seekins PH2 on the interwebs. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with one?

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I bought a Havak Bravo last year, which I assume is the same action. I was less than impressed with the action when it comes to running the action. Very disappointed actually. Personally I would look elsewhere before I paid that much. There are better smoother actions in that price range IMHO.
 

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I bought a Havak Bravo last year, which I assume is the same action. I was less than impressed with the action when it comes to running the action. Very disappointed actually. Personally I would look elsewhere before I paid that much. There are better smoother actions in that price range IMHO.
That surprises me isn't that a Defiance action? Even a lower end Defiance I would have assumed would be better than most factory actions.
 
In fairness I initially recommended the havak to walkalong and it kills me he had a bad experience. Fortunately he took a second chance and moved on up to an impact/foundation.

despite walkalongs experience, I still think it’s a pretty good rifle. No comment on value.
 
Btw the new defiance action is the ruckus and it is pretty much a deviant that takes prefit barrels so no gunsmith required anymore. Just order your bbl online. However the defiance action is almost as much as the seekins complete rifle
 
Search my name and Havak and you’ll find a pretty extensive review. The PH2 is the same action and barrels as the PH1 I have , but with a new version Timney trigger (Elite Hunter instead of 510), and a modified stock contour.

As a complete rifle, the PH2 is a fantastic value. The sum of the component parts for my PH1 left the action itself only “costing” around $200 in the package - which is a $1200 action when purchased bare.

The long action Havak’s use a proprietary magazine, which I think was a major mistake by Seekins. The short action Havak’s are AI pattern mags. I use AIAW mags in my short action Havak, and it feeds wonderfully. I’ve heard of a few guys talking about rough actions, Glen messaged me on FB a few wks ago that it was supposedly machining oil reacting with dust from the original packaging materials, which made a nasty, gummy mess inside. Mine didn’t have that issue. A light wipe with oil, when the DLC was fresh, and it ran super smooth - not DLC Defiance smooth, but ridiculously smooth for the $1800 total price I paid for the complete rifle.

I would generally recommend against buying the bare action based on the price - unless you can find one of the easily sourced 25% off Seekins coupons - because a guy can get a lot of action for $1200, but I’m not really convinced there’s a better featured action out there for $800. The Havak’s are priced well for their feature set, but not everyone would pay extra in other actions for the non-optional DLC bolt. Integral lug but bolt on rail - that’s a $900-1000 action, add $200 for bolt DLC and you arrive at their $1200 price point - with standard features which are upcharges on some other actions. Comparatively, I paid more for my Defiance Deviant with DLC - I had a 15% off deal and still paid more - as it should be, for a better action with more features.

But in the complete rifle, they’re an exceptional value, and the action effectively comes for free, let alone the custom spiral fluting. ESPECIALLY if you can pick up one of the coupons, get a PH2 for $1425... can’t think of a better value in its class.

The only complaints I had were supply chain issues in the early days of their launch. I needed spare parts and a replacement barrel a lot faster than they had anticipated, so I was out cold for a year. Things have leveled out now, and they’ve caught up - finally.

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Load work up to confirm a velocity node - 41.0 to 42.4grn by 0.2grn increments. Biggest group on the page is .47”. A superimposed 24shot composite group is just over .5”.
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I had planned to add another Deviant this spring, but with the Ruckus on the market now, that changed my plans. I also have a couple Seekins 25% off certs, so I think I’m going to get my wife one, or maybe one in 6.5 PRC (or 300PRC).
 
Between my Impact action, my MPA/Curtis action, my FN-SPR action, my old Sako actions, my Benchrest action, there is no comparison for ease of working the bolt between them and the Havak. It's simply "clunky" compared to them. Yes, nice and clean and oiled.

The only way the (my) Havak would work with the AIAW mag was to bend the feedlips (tweaking) and it does not have enough room for error for me. Feeds great with single stack mags, but the bolt has a lot of slop and can get hung if you don't keep it centered.

Maybe mine is a bad one, dunno, but I couldn't live with it. Shoots pretty well, but I can't handle mechanical things that don't work smoothly. The Impact is a joy to use, the FN-SPR is a joy to use.

YMMV.
 
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