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?Self defence AR-15 ammo?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Asaph, Mar 26, 2008.

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  1. Asaph

    Asaph Member

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    What if you had to shoot a bad guy that was shooting at you and he had body armour on or was in a Car.

    Which AR cartridge would be better suited for self defense from 50-200 yards?

    Prvi Partizan 5.56x45 55GR FMJBT made in Serbia to exact M193 specs. Brass case, boxer non-corrosive primed, crimped primer with lacquer seal and loaded with a double base powder for military specs.

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    Wolf .223 62GR HP made in Russia. steel case, Berdan-primed, non-corrosive, non-reloadable and polymer coated for smooth feeding.

    Is there anything better thats still around $6.00-$8.50 a box?
     
  2. Kingcreek

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    Where do you live, that you feel a need to plan for that scenario?:eek:
    armoured hostile shooter 200 yards out?
    You need more than you can squeeze out of the front of your AR for <$8.50/20.
    Concrete and sandbags, lots of sandbags... and a cell phone...
     
  3. Asaph

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    LOL!

    you know... I just would like to get the best I can (afford) to get. ( :
     
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    I think 1 round of Hornady 75 grain TAP (NATO) right through the nasal passages should do the trick. But its a little more $$$ than $8 - $10 a box. My life is priceless...to me anyways.
     
  6. CBS220

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    Why would you even consider only paying 8 dollars a box for SD ammo?

    Buy the high end stuff. Run enough through your gun to know it will cycle, and use the other ammo to plink.
     
  7. Asaph

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    Hopefully I would not need to use any plan like that! lol
     
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    But still which one?

    Prvi Partizan 5.56x45 55GR FMJBT made in Serbia to exact M193 specs. Brass case, boxer non-corrosive primed, crimped primer with lacquer seal and loaded with a double base powder for military specs.

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    Wolf .223 62GR HP made in Russia. steel case, Berdan-primed, non-corrosive, non-reloadable and polymer coated for smooth feeding.
     
  9. CBS220

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    Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

    I would take the Prvi, it shoots much better for me.
     
  10. yosarian

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    If those are your only choices go with the M193.
     
  11. NG VI

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    Get some Georgia Arms. There was some problem or other in some matches a while back that their 5.56 ammo was somehow involved in, but it seems like a very isolated incident and they are a great company to deal with. Plus you can get a wide array of bullet weights and styles from them and they are brass cased non-corrosive, American company, going to be slightly, and I mean slightly, more expensive than the two you mentioned but the ammo is much higher quality. don't get anything less than 62 grain for defence, at least I don't.

    55 grain is for coyotes and gophers.
     
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    Get the M193 copy. It will tumble and fragment better than the 62 grain stuff, especially if the 62 grainer has any sort of penetrator within the bullet.
     
  13. Bobarino

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    if only given those two choices, i'd go with the PRVI too. i'd rather use brass case if given the choice.

    my own personal preference is to have one magazine loaded full of really good stuff, in my case, Winchester Ranger 64 grain softpoints, with the rifle in case of a defensive situation and i use the cheap stuff for the range only. good defensive ammo can be had for about a buck a round, or less. i wouldn't trust my life to Wolf or anything of questionable quality.

    Bobby
     
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    "Defense" means he missed his first shot, most likely, since you're still around to worry about it. I think I'd practice not being around for any more of his efforts. Rapidly, toward cover and concealment. Stipulating car or body armor, the likely target is the head, after you're done hyper-ventilating. Any old .223 wil cause a severe leakage there.
     
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    I keep a mag or two loaded with 55 gr. soft points.
     
  16. TexasRifleman

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    The best thing to use is the Hornady TAP 75gr or the 77gr Mk262Mod1 ammo from Black Hills (but you won't find any of that).

    It's not cheap though.

    If I had to use something in that price range I'd use M193 of whatever flavor assuming your barrel twist rates are good for that weight bullet.
     
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    Would it be ok to use 75 gr ammo out of a 1/9 barrel? I've always read that it wouldnt stabilize...
     
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    i would say those would be pretty rare ocasions but i would go with Hornady TAP
     
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    I've been buying the Wolf but if I was in your shoes (and I'm glad I'm not!) I would go with the Privi Partisan.

    Our local PD uses Federal that sells commercially for about $450/1000.
     
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    Umm. anything,
    just not in 5.56.
     
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    That is it in a nutshell. You can not count on body hits on armored targets with anything 7.62X51 or smaller.
     
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    Never shot the PP stuff, but based on my experiance with wolf, I'd choose the PP...

    It does in some, doesnt in others. 1/9 bbls can be picky about 75 grain ammo, but some shoot it very well.

    Just gonna have to try it. At home defense distances you wont have anything to worry about, unless the BG is firing at you from a car 200 yards away.
     
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    Like Zach says, it's pot luck. I have 2 barrels it shoots in just fine, one it tumbles. It shoots great in my 11.5 and 16 Bushmasters and not in one other I have, Rock River I think it is.

    It's worth trying to see for sure because those loadings are by far the best for self defense use.
     
  24. MHBushmaster

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    Funderb, you wrote:
    "Umm. anything, just not in 5.56"

    The OP asked a question about a 5.56 AR-15.
    I'm sure you are of the mindset that it is a mickey mouse rifle and not worthy of shooting a bad guy with cause it will just sting him, right? (eyes rolling)

    To the OP, get more ammo options than the 2 you listed.
    Wolf is great practice ammo, its not really suitable for Self Defense due to its thicker copper jacket which does not lend itself to fragmentation terminal performance.

    The Privi Partizan M193 clone ammo is decent, but its not the best. Try and get some 75 or 77gr bullets for you self defense ammo. Failing that, try some in the mid 60gr weight range.

    Since I don't know how long your barrel is or what twist rate it is, its kind of hard to determine the factors that would help you choose some good quality self defense ammo: your options are limited if your using an older A1 barrel with a nominal 1/12" twist as compared to a faster 1/7" twist barrel.
     
  25. rcmodel

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    Why anyone would even consider using any FMJ ammo for SD if they were not forced to by military rules is beyond me!

    There are much better choices in the TAP line as well as Barnes solid copper and a few deer hunting loads from Winchester, Federal, and others.

    Any of them will shoot through car doors, and go on to take out a BG.

    Tumbling & fragmentation are fine if that's the best ammo you are allowed to use.

    But if you are a cop or civilian, there are far better choices available!

    rcmodel
     
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