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Self defense loads for .223

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Hog huntin Harry, Aug 17, 2020.

  1. Riomouse911

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    My office issues the 64 gr Win Ranger power point as well. So far it’s been 100 pct reliable in M-4 and Mini-14 rifles, fortunately we haven’t had to use them outside of training.

    At home I load my AR’s with Win 64 gr Razorback XT mono-metal rounds. These would also work well for hunting should I decide to use a .223 for anything more than a varmint.


    Stay safe.
     
  2. amd6547

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    For my AR, my number one self defense magazine is a Lancer 20rd loaded with PPU 75gn “match” JHP. I have another Lancer with Federal 55gn SP.
    But, I’m more likely to use my 12ga.
     
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  3. briansmithwins

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    Winchester ammo has been disappointing me since the 90s. I kept buying it off and on when a deal was just too good to pass up, only to get screwed again.

    It’s on my ‘nope’ list no matter how good the price looks.

    BSW
     
  4. entropy

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    I bought mine after seeing your post in the last thread on this subject. And I agree with you 100%.
     
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  7. cdb1

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    Maybe I’ve just been lucky.
     
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  8. DerMerchant

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    As others have said, and what i've seen and heard, 55gr xm193 seems to be good for two legged critters, but I have no experience in that department.
     
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  9. Skeptic13

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    I load .223 60 gr Hornady SP Varmint bullets. These will come apart on impact.
     
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  10. Spare Parts

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    Whatever you're using for hogs should also be OK for self-defense. Officially, I use Gold Dot 62gr LE. Unofficially, I could also use reloaded 62gr TBBC - a soft-point hog round.
     
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  11. herrwalther

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    Either M193 or M855. Doubt I would use either for hunting but for SD against something on 2 legs, they work fine.
     
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  12. Chuck R.

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    I keep and use a 5.56 pressure level handload based on the Speer 62grn GD.

    But, my AR stands a much greater chance being used on a Coyote than in an HD situation. Speaking of which, I've seen a couple yotes hit with 69 OTM and they required quite a bit of tracking, one of them we never found. One of the guys I hunt with thought that OTM was actually a standard hollow point. Apparently those bullets didn't get the chance to tumble and fragment.
     
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  13. someguy2800

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    Nobody that has ever shot a coyote with a V-max would say it would be an ineffective defense round!
     
  14. Hog huntin Harry

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    Since I've received a plentiful amount of reliable suggestions I'll ask, how would a Hornady V-max 123 grain 7.62x39 or 120 grain Winchester PDX1d compare to some of the loads yall suggested ?
     
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  15. MarshallDodge

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    What are you looking to compare?

    Compare in energy? Velocity? Distance? Penetration in gel?
     
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  16. Telum Pisces

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    Comparing two different animals. .30 caliber vs .22 caliber rifle loads. Can't place them together to compare.
     
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  17. Hog huntin Harry

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    Temporary and permanent wound cavities, and penatration in gel.
     
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  18. Goosey

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    Why not? They are both fast pieces of copper and lead which hit things and damage them.
    I found some data from AR15.com that says they are quite comparable.


    .223 64 grain Gold Dot, 16" barrel, 2549 fps
    Bare Gelatin
    223Speer64grGDinBG.jpg
    Penetration: 15.4"
    Neck: 2 cm
    Maximum temporary cavity: 9.5cm @ 12cm (extending to 21cm)
    Recovered diameter: 0.50"
    Recovered weight: 59.2gr



    7.62x39 123 grain SST (VMAX), 16" barel, 2242 fps
    Bare Gelatin
    image002.jpg
    Penetration: 15.6”
    Neck: 0cm
    Maximum temporary cavity: 8cm @ 8cm (extending to 19cm)
    Recovered diameter: 0.58”
    Recovered weight: 99.6gr
     
  19. MarshallDodge

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    75 Gold Dot at 100 and 200 yards

    Probably more on the tube for 7.62X39.
     
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  20. 748

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    I'm good with M193 fired from a rifle length barrel.
     
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  21. LoonWulf
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    What haven't you liked about them?
     
  22. briansmithwins

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    Silvertips that had no antiflash additives and were blinding to shoot in low light, one cartridge that was loaded backwards, plus a squib.

    Revolver ammo that left so much powder residue behind that it jammed the revolver.

    Rifle JHPs that caused FTFeed in rifles that were 100% reliable with any other ammo, including Russian stuff.

    BSW
     
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  23. Hookeye

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    Vmax here.
    Well the first 5.
     
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    That sucks! I can't say I've ever had an issue with any Winchester ammo, besides the bulk pack .22s. They were still better than cheap Federals, and Remingtons, but pretty bad.
     
  25. Hog huntin Harry

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    Since we're talking about ammunition issues, I've had lots of Remington core-lokt duds. Mainly .308 Winchester 150 grain, but also 170 grain 30-30.
     
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