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selling private party

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by alex_h, Sep 19, 2010.

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Do you sell private party

  1. Sell face to face no FFL

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  2. FFL only

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  3. will sell either way depends on buyer

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  1. alex_h

    alex_h Member

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    Well with everything that is going on in the world do you still sell private party face to face or what ever you want to call it? I came across where I had a coworker want to buy a pistol off of me but he did not want to go through a ffl so did not sell. At first i felt like kind of a jerk but the more i thought of it i did not feel bad but felt good why would anyone ever object to go through a ffl if there is nothing to hide. I dont think it was the fee i was willing to pay the ffl fee.
     
  2. Prion

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    If you were willing to pay the fee and he balked I'd be nervous.

    No way am I risking any legal problems. FFL every time for me.
     
  3. luigi

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    Because they wanted a firearm that was off paper I sold one and bought several firearms FTF no FFL no paper no record anywhere that I own the gun
     
  4. rfurtkamp

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    I'd sell through a dealer if the buyer insisted and paid the fees (and extra for my time), but I've never encountered one.

    As a buyer, I have zero interest in going through a FFL - hassle, paperwork, and the fun of a delay if I don't bother with the CWL.

    Now that I think about it probably wouldn't bother for selling either - if I'm not comfortable selling them the gun, doesn't matter if the Pope is the middleman.
     
  5. Rexster

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    Many folks who are clean enough to buy from an FFL want off-paper firearms. I might well sell FTF to an individual I reasonably believed to be clean, but I will tell them that I will not lie to a federal investigator, as I am a very poor liar, and very afraid of federal courts. (No canoe-trip mishap stories from me!) In actual practice, my recent FTF deals have been with fellow LEOs. Otherwise, I have dealt with FFLs since at least the early 1990's.
     
  6. scchokedaddy

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    Selling to private party

    I allways do a bill of sale either when buying or selling. If they have a problem {and it has happened} then I don't buy or sell. If they want to go FFL then it's on their dollar not mine. Do not see ant reason to pay someone $50 for transfer. If I buy on auction on line I have no problem paying the FFl to recieve for me.
     
  7. jimmyraythomason

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    No ffl for ftf sales of private property. I don't go through a hardware store to sell a hammer either...
     
  8. alex_h

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    I should go into more detail I live in IL and it is not necessary to go through a FFL but with the way IL is I feel safer myself if something were to happen I have a little more prof that I did infact sell the gun and it is no longer in my position. As i did not him that well the store I work at employes a hair under 400 people I just cant have time to know them all I felt better going through the FFL and its only $25. I do have friends I would sell to no problem but just did not feel like everything was right with this one. Maby I will just stop selling and just horde them all from now on even the ones i have more then one of the same kind.
     
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    Since there are no legal prohibitions against it in my state, I buy and sell guns all the time via FTF deals.

    This topic comes up frequently here, and I have yet to see any legal problems with my doing FTF deals so long as I follow Federal and State law and make every reasonable effort to not sell a firearm to a prohibited person.
     
  10. danprkr

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    If I had a hinky feeling as you obviously did I'd be going the FFL route, but I've never had that feeling when I've sold. And I've sold/traded/bought face to face more times than I care to remember. I have never not sold, but I have not taken in a gun due to that hinky feeling. Who knows if I was being overly cautious or not, but I've never been in the gray bar motel for buying a stolen gun either. :D
     
  11. Cap'n Jack Burntbeard

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    Anything is for sale, at the right price.:D
    If a potential buyer looks less than reputable, the no I would not sell.
    The way I see it, if I do my part to arm one more person, then I have done my good deed for the day.
    For only the armed are truly free.
     
  12. zoom6zoom

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    No problems with FTF for me. However, since I am licensed as an 03FFL, if I'm dealing with a C&R gun I'm required to log the other party's information. If they don't like it, well, the want ads are full of guns these days.
     
  13. M2 Carbine

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    I've been selling and buying guns FTF since the late 1950's. I see no reason to stop now.

    In TX you swap the gun and money and walk away.

    I got this beauty and several more at the gun show in the last couple months.
    I have no idea who the seller was and they sure don't know me.
    And that's the way I like it.:)

    [​IMG]
     
  14. ritepath

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    I always sell to people I know....prolly 50-60 times without ever selling to anyone I didn't know.

    I bought one of my AR's this year off a deputy FTF...he didn't seem to have any problems with the sale.
     
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    Fella's;

    The original poster (sorta) asked: "why would anyone ever object to go through a ffl if there is nothing to hide"? Alex, there is something to hide. As it sits, there is no Federal legal requirement to allow them to have a paper trail of every firearm transaction. What's more, there's no good reason to give them that trail that most of us non-coaster's can see. If you feel you need one to protect yourself, then I'd suggest you're selling to the wrong person.

    As far as your co-worker goes, face him up & flat ask if he's got a felony criminal record or other legal reason that would prevent him from legitimally possessing the gun. Good grief, if need be, do it in front of a witness. But please, don't buy into the mindset that says that it has to be FFL because it's the right thing to do. Good intentions pave some damned road I believe.

    900F
     
  16. CHEVELLE427

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    FL is face to face but if you state your a felon or been in trouble it does not matter how bad i might need the money ,,, no sell and you will need to leave, if you don't believe me.
    just ask the last guy that tried to by a gun then said he was on parole and then got lippy when i gave him his money back and HE said

    DO WE NEED TO GET THE LAW INVOLVED. i said i guess we do.

    short version HE GOT 8 more MONTHS IN COUNTY

    crazy thing was he requested a bill of sale 1 for him 1 for me in his hand writing... what a DA
     
  17. garymc

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    In post #8 the OP claims he lives in IL and is rightly worried about the anti-gun environment. However, as a gun owner in IL, he knows that every gun owner there has an FOID, Firearms Owner ID. The buyer would have to show him his FOID, a state issued ID that should constitute evidence that the buyer is not a felon and satisfies other state requirements for firearms ownership. Going through an FFL would be unnecessary. If he thinks the buyer is an undiagnosed nutcase, then hesitation to sell is commendable. But going through an FFL won't change that. I'm surprised someone from IL hasn't piped up. I'm from MO, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.
     
  18. Deus Machina

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    If you don't get a bad feeling and the guy isn't reluctant about providing any proof he's able to buy, it's all kosher.

    Sold my first CC piece that way in a parking lot at a gun show. Have a rough description, he had a driver's license that I only checked to make sure he was a FL resident, and we both had friends along as witnesses. Nice guy, quick easy deal, never even got his name.

    Gun and money trade places, hands are shaken, everyone has a nice day.
     
  19. kyhuntsman94

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    I have several friends who prefer to buy guns from private individuals over gun shops for ths very reason. They have nothing to hide, they just don't want to be in a system as a gun owner anymore than they have to. If I had a gun to sell would I sell to them, yes in a heartbeat. I also know that I would get first opportunity to buy it back if he does decide to sell anything that I sold him.
     
  20. Full Metal Jacket

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    you need to consult an internet gun forum to decide if you should sell a gun legally or not? :eek:
     
  21. doc2rn

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    I just go by my gut! If it screams use an FFL I do!
     
  22. oldbear

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    My criminal history is as clean as can be, but whenever possible I prefer to buy FTF, from a private party. There are several reasons for this, price; usually less, no paper work, and in NC the local sheriff must issue permits to purchase a handgun. In the county I live in they limit you to five (5) permits for a 5 or 10 year period (don’t remember which one). I don’t want to run out of permits, in case I find a super deal.
    As for selling I’m good either way, FTF or FFL, but either as a buying or selling I require a bill of sale be filled out that both sign and I keep my copy. I will only make Arrangements to meet a buyer or seller in the parking lot of my bank. I also keep my .357 Magnum with me during all of the sales/buying process.
     
  23. ForumSurfer

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    I will sell either way.

    I honestly don't find any fault with people's logic no matter if they choose FFL only or no FFL ever.

    Someone mentioned the weapon not being in your name if you buy it FTF or conserving the amount of pistol permits you get each year. I have my CHP, so here in NC I can buy as many in a year as I wish without applying for a permit to the local sheriff. Thanks to that CHP and past government contractual work...my fingerprints are in databases everywhere so I see no reason to desire an "off paper" weapon. Maybe if uncle sam demands that we hand over all weapons registered to us I could see the desire to own one "off paper." But when that happens, there surely are a whole slew of firearms registered to me that I sold privately anyway.
     
  24. alex_h

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    Yes he did have a foid card but at the same time I just dont realy know something with him said to go with the FFL and if he wanted it as bad as he said he did he would of had no problem. I think the biggest thing with me was

    1-I was not looking to sell he came to me after he heard me talking in the break room to a fried i had a few copys of several guns.

    2-Price was ok but still could have done better on my side $500 for a almost new less the 500rds 90-two in 9mm

    3-He realy did not care about CAL or any specs on the gun just wanted to buy a gun and for $500 that was the only one i was willing to part with for that price

    thoes were just a few things that bothered me alittle 2 did not so much bother me as much as 1 and 3
     
  25. oasis618

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    If I'm buying or selling FTF in state then I would have no reason to involve a FFL.
     
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