Semi-auto 7.62 recommendations?

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I'm in the market for a semi-auto 7.62 SHTF rifle, but I have only found the FN AR and the DPMS. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read that:

- FN AR is difficult to break down and maintain, requires tools
- DPMS 308 are heavy and unwieldy.

I'm also concerned with gas face on the DPMS. Is that an issue?

There are a number of options coming to market soon, the H&K MR762 and the FN 17S.

Anyone have recommendations either way? I'm open to all ideas.
 
FAL-clones from various sources (DSA is a good one).

G3 clones from various sources (PTR-91 is probably the best option going on that front).

M14 clones from various sources (Springfield M1A is the most common).

CETME clones, though these can be real hit and miss because of the companies that built them.

Any of those is worth a look. I believe there are others out there if you look as well.
 
dmancornell I'm in the market for a semi-auto 7.62 SHTF rifle, Anyone have recommendations either way? I'm open to all ideas.


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The PTRs are picky about ammo though. Read up on it over at hkpro.com first. Just so you know what you're getting in to unlike me.
 
How about an SKS, you can get a good one for $250 these days, pretty much bulletproof and minute of man accurate at 100 yards.
 
Another M14 Clone fan. Lots of goodies, superb iron sights and a great trigger. More reliable than the AR-10 and when empty makes a superior club.

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what is heavy and unwieldy about a DPMS 308? or any AR 308 for that matter unless it is a heavy barrel set up...
 
The FAL is a great rifle, the Right Arm of the Free World. I've seen different numbers, but it was used by somewhere around 80-90 countries, including 1st world militaries.

I don't know which I like more, my FAL or my M1A/M14. The FAL has better ergos and is better for mounting optics, arguably more rugged. The M1A is more accurate and has better sights.
 
There are several DMPS LR-308 model. Each has various weights and features. The standard LR-308, with the 24 inch bull barrel is quite heavy at 11.2 pound an very barrel heavy. The LR-308L, with lightened upper, light barrel and stock, is 7.9 pounds. Other models are in between.
 
For reliability and ease of maintenance, it is hard to be an sks. Add a high capacity mag if you want, or avoid mags all together and use the 10 or 20 round fixed mag.
 
Sa vz. 58 Military Folder
Price: $850.00
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The Sa vz. 58 Military Folder accepts double stack 30 round magazines. This folding stock model has the original appearance of military issued rifles. The folding stock is original and made of steel while the pistol grip and handguards are original plastic impregnated wood. Vz. 58 folding stock models were issued primarily to paratroopers and Special Forces.

For those who prefer the original appearance of the vz. 58 folding stock model, CzechPoint has legally replaced the black polymer sporter stock with the original furniture. As shown in the photo below, this configuration was manufactured in the 1960s, 1970s, and in the 1980s for various militaries throughout the world.

This rifle was imported into the United States as an Sa vz. 58 Sporter utilizing 10 round single stack magazines as US law requires semi automatic rifles to be imported with a magazine capacity of 10 rounds or less. US import regulations restrict not only the magazine capacity of imported rifles, but also determine the shape of the shoulder stock. Specifically, imported sporting rifles may not have a pistol grip detached from a fixed stock or a folding stock.

In addition, US law prevents the importation of semi automatic rifles with bayonet lugs. Therefore, all D-Technic manufactured rifles are unable to accept the vz. 58 bayonet.

CzechPoint, Inc., in co-operation with local contractors, legally modifies the original vz. 58 Sporter into the vz. 58 Military Folder model by ensuring the rifle has no more than 10 imported parts. This means that all vz. 58 rifles capable of using 30 round magazines possess 5 USA made parts to fully comply with Title 18, U.S.C., Section 922(r).

The five USA made parts on the vz. 58 High Capacity Sporter are: sear, disconnector (both made from metal – 4140 steel), trigger, magazine follower, and magazine floor plate (made from polymer – Leona 90 G 60 and Zytel ST 801). All parts have been extensively test fired and passed without a single failure.




Sa vz. 58 Military Folder Technical Specifications


Caliber 7.62 x 39 mm
Muzzle velocity 771 yds/s
Effective range - against individual targets up to 655 yds
Effective range - against group targets up to 875 yds
Maximum range 3,060 yds
Practical rate of fire 40 shots/min.
Weapon weight without magazine 6.59 lbs
Weight of an empty magazine 0.42 lbs
Weight of a full magazine 1.50 lbs
Weapon length 34.06 in
Weapon width 2.32 in
Weapon height without magazine 6.69 in
Weapon height with magazine 9.96 in
Barrel length 16.14 in
Number of grooves in the barrel 4
Length of the rifling 9.45 in
Trigger pull 5.51 - 5.95 lbs (24.5 - 26.5 N)
Each rifle is supplied with two 30 round magazines, sling, cleaning kit and CD.


Another possibility -

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Don't forget 7.62x51 AKs.

Ditto this!!!

A Saiga in 308 can be had for much less then any other choice on the market. Add in @ $50-100 in parts and a few hours work and you have a really nice .308 AK
 
Why not consider the Rock River LAR-8 it uses cheap mags and shoots 1 MOA at 100 yards out of a 16 inch barrel. It also comes with Rock's lifetime warranty. The only downside is if you plan to put a free float rail on it you are only limited to 3 options the cheapest being 250 dollars.
 
courtgreene: Excellent suggestion.

Ruger might soon be producing a 20 (or so) round magazine for the Mini 30, although after reading the Mini "Magazine" forum at "Perfectunion" for over a year, it is very difficult to have any faith in this concept.
 
Saiga 308-1

I have handled and shot all the .308 battle rifles. I sold all but a single CETME. I have (2) Saiga 308-1's with the 16.5 barrel. These are great. These rifles are light, reliable, and not cumbersome at all. The only questions I have concerning these rifles are their durability. The 308 is a whole lot more cartridge than the 7.62x39. They are 308 power in a assault rifle package instead of a battle rifle package. I hope these 308 Saiga Ak platform rifles can hold up to several thousand rounds...I have not seen any torture/durability tests yet. Love that .308 power!
 
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my plan is, to follow H20 man around post SHTF and pick up his M14 from the curb when he decides to dump it for a rifle that doesnt weigh 17 lbs :)


This is my plan and I am sticking to it. :)
 
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