Sen. Feinstein to introduce legislation to make owning a rifle have an age requirement of 21 yo

[George P]

21 for rifle comes with being 30 to vote, and only after passing a basic civics test and proof of a job or other non-welfare source of income

 

[George P]

Gee in college years ago I couldn't image not having a long gun to protect myself in my apartment. Lets raise self-sufficient Americans. Not sheep.

Not what Soros and Bloomberg want - they want Pelosi, soccer moms and idiotic teachers to indoctrinate all the while thinking they will run the country, but Soros and Bloomie have plans for them to run things.....

Why hasn't Soros, a person who as a child, ratted out his village people to the Nazis been deported and his funds confiscated? Imagine the mental health issues his fortune could start to address.......

 

[WestKentucky]

This is just the opening salvo from Feinstein. She's trying to see how many MONETARY DONORS she can get for this. Afterwards, more onerous things will be added. But, it's still not going anywhere. Not in this Congress.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[Aim1]

Apparently Trump is pushing an age restriction/raise too........ugh......

 

[MagnunJoe]

I bet the old hag considers Revolvers & pump shotguns “assault weapons”

 

[Acelaw]

If you can't buy a gun until your are 21 because you are too irrational and cannot handle such responsibility...then are we going to charge 20 year old murders as a "juvinal"?

Rights and responsibilities go hand in hand.

There's a lot of debate in the criminal law arena about how young defendants <18, 18-21 etc should be treated.

The science is fairly clear that the rational element of an 18-21 year old's brain still isn't fully formed.

I agree though - you're either fully responsible for everything or you're not. It's a sticky issue though especially when it comes to military entry, criminal responsibility etc

 

[Cayce Charles]

Well you can join the Military at 18 BUT there you are taught to use a weapon. MOST average 18 year olds are immature kids. It does make sense but it you give them a inch ............................

 

[Kaybee]

21 for rifle comes with being 30 to vote, and only after passing a basic civics test and proof of a job or other non-welfare source of income

Ha.. speaking of voting, seems the same people that want take away citizen's right to defend themselves also want to make sure that no one has to show any I.D. to come in and vote for them. Wonder why?

 

[Corpral_Agarn]

How old to fight and die for your country?

21?

I doubt the good ole .gov will go for that one.

 

[Corpral_Agarn]

Well you can join the Military at 18 BUT there you are taught to use a weapon. MOST average 18 year olds are immature kids. It does make sense but it you give them a inch ............................

I was safely handling firearms at age 12.

By myself.

We have a major personal responsibility issue if you cannot expect someone 18 years old to safely handle a firearm.

We have 4 rules. Its not rocket surgery.

 

[RPZ]

The military wants young, moldable minds (and strong physiques). The older you get the more questioning you are of authority, and this makes for bad soldiers. And, as far as 18-20 year olds being able to use powerful weapons in the military, it's under strictly controlled conditions. Being in the military is the very antithesis of exercising your freedoms.

Not true. Even as a 17 year old Airman Basic, Private - pick one, if you get unhinged you could kill far more than 17 people with an AR or any other weapon you have if you have the will and intention.

 

[RPZ]

What are you suggesting to keep your child or your grandchild from being a bloody mess on the classroom floor?

Lets assume there is no slippery slope just concerned classmates, parents and grand parents.
IF someone you loved was murdered in a classroom, what do you suggest be done? Put yourself in the shoes of someone who had lost a loved one.

There are no guarantees in life. Life is short, and it can be much shorter than most people care to think about. Murders occur in prisons. There is no such thing as Utopia, or Heaven on earth. Life 101.

 

[RPZ]

I never considered Feinstein to a voice of reason or common sense.

Feinstein is a change agent. And she and her husband have made a lot of money playing her part.

 

[RPZ]

I would imagine any law requiring a person to be 21 to purchase an AR would make possession of it by anyone under 21 illegal also.

So Nikky buys his gun from a friend in a bar, or waits til he's 21 - or simply legally buys a double barrel 12 with auto ejectors plus a shoulder bag with 100 shells. And does the same thing.

 

[RPZ]

21 for rifle comes with being 30 to vote, and only after passing a basic civics test and proof of a job or other non-welfare source of income

And when a 21 year old walks into a school and kills another 20, raise it to 25? When a 34 year old kills a dozen or two raise it to?

Absurd. It is not the age, it is their mental state. No normal 18 year old commits murder. No normal 15 year old commits murder.

 

[Aim1]

And when a 21 year old walks into a school and kills another 20, raise it to 25? When a 34 year old kills a dozen or two raise it to?

Absurd. It is not the age, it is their mental state. No normal 18 year old commits murder. No normal 15 year old commits murder.

Was just saying this to some folks today. Every time someone a certain age commits a crime with an AR15 just keep raising the age limit to purchase it?

 

[CapnMac]

Well, we could examine where age limits actually work.
Lessee,
Drinking is 21; average age for first drink: 16.
Smoking is 21; average age to start: 14

 

[danez71]

Well, we could examine where age limits actually work.
Lessee,
Drinking is 21; average age for first drink: 16.
Smoking is 21; average age to start: 14

Nothing is absolute and you know it.

I think your better than that type of nonsense.

 

[CapnMac]

Ok, true enough. I did not complete the thought very well at all.
Where I was meaning to head was that age limits, like prohibitions only "work" where they are socially accepted. So, absolute age limits have an absurdity built into them; a simplistic reflex.

If we examine age limits that do "work"--marriage, for example. That works just fine because, where people wish to marry despite the age restrictions, there is an appeal/redress process. Enlisting in the armed forces--underage is ok, but you have to follow the rules to get the waiver. Driver's licenses are similar, too.

So, any strict, unwavering, age limit is unlikely to succeed. In fact, with out the "escape valve" they are near nigh doomed to failure; almost encouraging what meant to be limited.

 

[theotherwaldo]

In most traditional families it is up to the parents to decide whether or not a child is mature enough to keep and bear arms.
If the child is responsible enough, the parent will purchase a weapon that the child may have access to.
If the child continues to show responsibility and good judgment then the child may gain ownership of the weapon.
That's the traditional way.

 

[22-rimfire]

Open and shut -- he's going to get the death penalty. But I think he himself would be surprised at any other outcome. These shooters do these things as a form of suicide. In their minds, everyone involved -- the victims and even themselves -- is no longer a "person" but is some kind of cipher in a game. It's the ultimate dehumanization.

Maybe. I don't like to think of the dehuminization aspect, but I think people essentially having few outside contacts (friends) outside social media and then essentially killing computer games contribute to a detachment from reality. People are social creatures. The trend seems to make them less social and more unisex.

Something has changed people since the dawn of the computer age around 1980ish.

 

[AlexanderA]

In most traditional families it is up to the parents to decide whether or not a child is mature enough to keep and bear arms.

"Traditional families" are now a distinct minority. In fact they may be diminishing almost to the point of insignificance. More than 40% of all births in America are now out of wedlock. (More in minority communities.) Then add to that the children of broken families (divorce, absent fathers, etc.) and you can see the magnitude of the problem. You can't legislate effectively based on a long-outmoded social standard.