SF mayor encourages police not to enforce any immigraton laws
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Senate "unites" to stick it to America on illegal immigration
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Actually, if the bill contained many of Mexico's immigration policies, I'd be more than satisfied.
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crazed_ss
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Umm.. why would anyone do anything like that? This is California, not Tennesse. We dont automatically dont have problems with people who dont look like us.
Aguila Blanca
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Hey, that works for me. I'll gladly trade in the Department of Homeland Insecurity in exchange for deporting as manu illegals annually as the DHS budget will cover.
Heck, that there's what we call a "no brainer."
CAnnoneer
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How do we do it now? Show valid documents. All the gov needs to do is stop issuing driver's licenses to illegals in the states that they still do. A driver's license is a heck of a lot more difficult to counterfeit than a silly SSN card. Also, US citizens can get a passport for 100 bucks. I did. You should. The passport also seems quite difficult to counterfeit, but not as much as the magnetic driver's license.
Come on, I can see illegals waiting for daily pickup every morning driving to work. How difficult would it be for Dawg the Bountyhunter to stake out a few convergence areas. Pick up ten - that's $1,000 a day! If you pick up the worker, he is not crazy to leave his family behind. You can bag them all. Dawg might even buy them donuts.
Except, if the mercs are deputized, the next thing that happens is that the shooter either gets blown away or ends up in prison for a long long time. You might just as well argue for shooting police officers if they happen to search the wrong house by mistake. Are you advocating that?
crazed_ss
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That's assinine.
Months ago the border patrol went around on the trolleys here trying to find illegals. What happned?.. they ended up harrassing AMERICAN CITIZENS who just happened to be Mexican or Hispanic looking.. That ended real quick like.
Here's a scenario.. the girl I used to see is a legal resident alien from Tijuana. She came over my house all the time. Now you say this Mercs just know who is illegal and who isnt... How do they know she's legal? If they come into my house trying to detain her, they can have their choice of .30-06, 00 buck , 9x19mm, or 7.62x39mm
I'm sorry, but I do not want to be a part of a "Papers please..." society.
Months ago the border patrol went around on the trolleys here trying to find illegals. What happned?.. they ended up harrassing AMERICAN CITIZENS who just happened to be Mexican or Hispanic looking.. That ended real quick like.
Here's a scenario.. the girl I used to see is a legal resident alien from Tijuana. She came over my house all the time. Now you say this Mercs just know who is illegal and who isnt... How do they know she's legal? If they come into my house trying to detain her, they can have their choice of .30-06, 00 buck , 9x19mm, or 7.62x39mm
I'm sorry, but I do not want to be a part of a "Papers please..." society.
ken grant
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E-mail,Fax or call your Reps. and ask why they don't do their job as according to the U.S. Constitution Section 1,Article8
E-mail,Fax or call your Reps. and ask why they don't do their job as according to the U.S. Constitution Section 1,Article8
CAnnoneer
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+1 MadMag
I am all for freedom of speech but the "B" word is too much. We are nationalists, not terrorists. We do not want the illegals dead, we want them to go back to their country safe and sound, and stop wrecking ours.
I am all for freedom of speech but the "B" word is too much. We are nationalists, not terrorists. We do not want the illegals dead, we want them to go back to their country safe and sound, and stop wrecking ours.
CAnnoneer
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I think any practical American would rather show his driver's license to an LEO who asks politely, than suffer the long-term damage from illegals and all related problems. That is one of the very small prices to pay for living in an organized society of laws.
If she is legally in the country, she will have a valid driver's license and/or possibly a green card. Green cards are magnetic and probably the least tamperable general document we have in the US. She will know to carry it. An uplink with the DMV can produce her record and photo. We have the technology. Why not use it?
Hehehehe. Dude, you are one crazy son of a gun. I like you. But, do you really think it would be healthy to "release your anger"?
That's the illusion. We already do live in a "Papieren Bitte" society. Have you tried to make a major purchase lately? Paid a bill? Taken a loan? Signed a lease? Applied for a job? Taken an insurance?
It is numbers, numbers, numbers. Passwords, credit cards, on-line statements, your credit score, SSN, biometrics, DMV record, purchasing record, your Ralf's, Vons, Albertson's card, your professional memberships, your security clearance, email address, IP, driver's license, passport, et cetera, et cetera.
Face it.
crazed_ss
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Well, I dont want to sound extreme 
But it sounds like you're advocating infringing on other people's rights "for the greater good" .. Sounds like the argument that says "If you're not doing anything wrong, then you shouldnt be worried" .. that makes me uneasy.
If I were an American of Hispanic decent, I'd be extremely offended if I was forced to prove my citizenship whenever some LEO or deputized person demanded it. That's not what America is about.
The way I see it, the 11 million or so illegals that are here now arent going back anytime soon. We need to cut our losses and crackdown on border security from now on.
But it sounds like you're advocating infringing on other people's rights "for the greater good" .. Sounds like the argument that says "If you're not doing anything wrong, then you shouldnt be worried" .. that makes me uneasy.
If I were an American of Hispanic decent, I'd be extremely offended if I was forced to prove my citizenship whenever some LEO or deputized person demanded it. That's not what America is about.
The way I see it, the 11 million or so illegals that are here now arent going back anytime soon. We need to cut our losses and crackdown on border security from now on.
longeyes
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So we keep hearing.
I'd watch it with the Mexican flag-waving. Things change.
CAnnoneer
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I understand. But, the reality remains we live in an extremely complex society with incredible and mounting technology. It is inevitable that that will affect our habits and expectations. In a sense, we as individuals are victims of our own success as a species. The practical issue is where we draw the line of intrusiveness and what compromises we are willing to make in an imperfect world. I think the Brits are insane with their 24/7 surveillance, but am not bothered about carrying a driver's license to drive my car and use my credit cards.
I'd be resentful, yes. Offended, no. If a bunch of cracker euros invade America illegally by under-ocean tunnels, I'd end up on the same page and would resent them, not the mercs, cops, or feds, for my inconveniences. I certainly would not fight for their right to break our laws, and neither would I wave foreign flags just because of shared complexion or ethnicity. Again, this is not about ethnicity/race, it is about nationality.
Art Eatman
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MadMag, the border-crossings to drop Mexican-national kids off at US schools has been going on for decades. Not just major cities like El Paso or Brownsville; even here in Terlingua until they closed the border crossing at Lajitas.
Our school lost some of its best baseball players.
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Our school lost some of its best baseball players.
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I agree that any immigration bill is useless without sealing the border.
The people directing the illegals do make mistakes. I think their latest comments about being “the backbone of the country” and saying they “will shutdown this country on May 1st” will work against them. We have been discussing this here, but thanks to those kinds of statements a lot more Americans are going to be aware of what is really at stake.
I wish they would strike for a month…not just a day.
The people directing the illegals do make mistakes. I think their latest comments about being “the backbone of the country” and saying they “will shutdown this country on May 1st” will work against them. We have been discussing this here, but thanks to those kinds of statements a lot more Americans are going to be aware of what is really at stake.
I wish they would strike for a month…not just a day.
Not saying they have not been going on...just saying we cannot afford to pay for free medical & schooling. Getting bigger at exponential rate.
The models are there. Any area that has high influx of illegals has very high tax rates to support the free (to them) welfare programs. The low cost of labor does not come close to returning this lost money.
To add: Why is it so terrible to expect someone to contribute to the system they are using? When I worked in Mexico I paid Mexico taxes and money for a special visa. And I don't buy the answer of they use fake ID and do pay their taxes.....no one would really accept that as a system to use.
Also, I hate to hear about the hard jobs only they work....I did all of those jobs when I was young for low pay and paid taxes. I think them working hard jobs mainly impress people that have not done that themselves.
I will let this rest for a while and so I don't tie up too much air time.
You could not tell by my postings that I actually liked El Paso and working in Mexico....just want people to pay their fare share.
I am over 65 and want my senior discount.
You could not tell by my postings that I actually liked El Paso and working in Mexico....just want people to pay their fare share.
I am over 65 and want my senior discount.
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How far do you think this is going to go? Will it become a possible SHTF situation? How is it possible, just by statistics, for so many mentally Ill people to get into political office?
Sindawe
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I think positions of political office draws two kind of people.
1. Those who wish to contribute back to their society via public service. Those are few and far between, sadly.
2. Those who have a lust for power and control, for its own sake. Those are common as fleas on a stray dog. It is just happenstance that a enough of those kind of people can can sweet talk the rest of us who just want to be left alone.
As for how this is gonna go, I think it will go so far that at least a small (if not larger number) of people are gonna get shooting mad. People on both sides of the issue are gonna die, and as a result our liberties will be further eroded in the name of fair play and equal outcomes.
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Seems to me that illegals are being over-represented, and the taxpaying class is being under-represented.
So let's all become illegals! Let's pick a law that we don't like and break it as a group. Then when the goobers start to whine, we'll hold mass protests and demand all sorts of good free stuff and unconditional amnesty. If they won't give it to us, then we'll threaten a walkout...a "Day Without Taxpayers".
They couldn't take action against us, because it would cost too much to prosecute, say, 200 million people, right?
So, which law will it be? I'm thinking taxes, but I'm open to suggestions.
So let's all become illegals! Let's pick a law that we don't like and break it as a group. Then when the goobers start to whine, we'll hold mass protests and demand all sorts of good free stuff and unconditional amnesty. If they won't give it to us, then we'll threaten a walkout...a "Day Without Taxpayers".
They couldn't take action against us, because it would cost too much to prosecute, say, 200 million people, right?
So, which law will it be? I'm thinking taxes, but I'm open to suggestions.
ConstitutionCowboy
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It Has Been Said Many Times -
1) Secure the borders. (Stems the flow.)
2) Impose confiscatory fines on people and companies who/that hire foreign nationals who are here illegally.(Removes the attraction.)
3) Elect a president willing to exercise the Commander in Chief authority to faithfully execute the laws regarding border security.(Implements enforcement.)
4) Elect congressmen willing to fund the necessary costs of guarding our borders.(Assures continued enforcement.)
Woody
"Peace, Prosperity, and Freedom: Magic elixirs of life brought to you courtesy of the Constitution for the United States of America." "Terrorism, Poverty, and Subjugation: World dominating poisons of life; brought to you courtesy of the United Nations". B.E.Wood
1) Secure the borders. (Stems the flow.)
2) Impose confiscatory fines on people and companies who/that hire foreign nationals who are here illegally.(Removes the attraction.)
3) Elect a president willing to exercise the Commander in Chief authority to faithfully execute the laws regarding border security.(Implements enforcement.)
4) Elect congressmen willing to fund the necessary costs of guarding our borders.(Assures continued enforcement.)
Woody
"Peace, Prosperity, and Freedom: Magic elixirs of life brought to you courtesy of the Constitution for the United States of America." "Terrorism, Poverty, and Subjugation: World dominating poisons of life; brought to you courtesy of the United Nations". B.E.Wood
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