Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Cosmoline, Sep 30, 2005.
Wait for the deleted scenes, I bet.
Suddenly...Hope flairs anew!
In fact, I'll bet there are a LOT of great deleted scenes from this movie. A couple more inside jokes to the Fans would be cool too.
You know that there is a hidden feature on Disk 4 of the season set that has Jayne singing that song, right?
I will go see it again ASAP, and get ready to buy the DVD. I really hope the movie does well enough to continue as a sequel (trilogy?); its one of those things that I like it so much, I'd rather it fizzle out after a long run, and have a lot of shows, movies, etc, than just have the one great season and the one great movie. I need more!
I'm thinking its because the repair and cleanup of Serenity was being overseen by Alliance personell ... in particular the assassin (or I guess former assassin).
Exactly. They make their $$ by staying just on one side of the line. Esp. when moving illegal cows and such they need to avoid attracting attention.
is, but for what she knows.
I never could figure out why the Alliance was so keen to find a mere telepath, even one with advanced combat skills...
Wash's death was without meaning, it wasn't heroic, or poignant or special in any way. He was simply there, and then dead.
I have never, in my life seen a theater packed to capacity, practically to a person, respond in exactly the same way: everyone gasped and then nothing; dead silence. Not even a plastic candy bag being rustled.
Don's right, Wash's senseless death was a smack in the face to every audience member. From that point on, I fully expected to see at least another character die.
And yes, I had the same thought.
Anyway, it was still Firefly. The best thing that could happen is that the show continues where it left off, with all the characters intact.
In an interview Tudyk said he liked the way Wash went out.
And it was not senseless:
1. It amped up the drama. No character is safe. I've never gone through shock, anger, denial, mourning and acceptance for any other fictional character ever.
2. Wash is redundant. With River mostly cured she, with her reflexes and intelligence, is the best choice to be the pilot. In fact she will be the best pilot ever told about.
3. If the next movie concerns Serenity and crew's part in the revival of the galactic Civil War it is thematically best that Zoe has no distractions. She can now concentrate on keeping her captain alive. Woe to any who get in her path from here on in.
Why he wasn't part of the crew is covered in the three-issue comic book series. I'll be happy to describe the brief events to anyone sending me a private message. Or you can probably find it online. You can probably even find scans of the comics themselves online.
And I feel that was exactly why it was done. Until that happened, you had the feeling that nothing could really happen to the core crew, that it would turn out all right in the end. It made you wonder, scared, etc... I know Book was respected, and sorta close to the crew, but he wasn't traveling with them. And the sheer suddeness was appropriate, I feel. Makes it more like real combat.
Tudyk's career, and Jayne's singin at the campfire
Went to see this back on May 26th, and Chris Buchanan -- executive producer for Mutant Enemy, Joss' partner in crime -- introduced the film, and then stayed for a Q/A afterwards. It seems that Alan Tudyk (Wash) was scheduled to intruduce the movie, but he got cast in Spamalot on Broadway, and that was gonna be taking up his time. He also was Sonny in I Robot, and has a promising film career. He will do fine.
Also per buchanan, Jayne DOES sing in the movie, or *did*. He is not singing "The Hero of Canton" but rather a song he and Joss wrote (If you wonder if joss can write songs, Check out the Buffy Episode "once More with Feeling".) Jayne's fireside singin' was cut, and may very well be included in the DVD. the audience was BEGGING for it to be on the DVD. Mister Baldwin actually does play, and sings rather well.
Ron Glass (the good Shepard) teaches a lot in an acting school, and didn't wanna do the movie cuz he got killed. Oddly, tho, Ron *IS* signed for 2 more movies.
Joss does NOT have a 3 movie SERENITY deal, but has a 3 picture deal with Universal that may or may not be serenity movies. Joss' next movie is Wonder Woman. If you are interested, check out http://www.whedonesque.com/
Oh, and I vote is that Book is a retired Companion.
Buffy, and the death of Cedric Diggory in the fourth Harry Potter. All three were sudden, fairly senseless, and VERY abrupt: kinda like in real life. And all three had you going "wait a sec... what the..."
I'm new on these boards - got linked over here from some of the Firefly/Serenity stuff, and it looks like I'll actually like this venue much better. I'm sure I'll have much to say as time goes on, but two things for now:
First, shameless begging that everyone see the movie. Especially going back next weekend - it's a strong second weekend the producers are counting on.
Second, I'm a big gun supporter, but I know much more on the political side than the actual technical gun knowledge side, so I have a question - does anyone know if the gun that River uses most in the movie (the one she steals from Jayne) is anything realistic, or is it a totally made-up prop thing? There are plenty of good shots of it for identification purposes - it's that sort of chunky black pistol. I fear it may not be based on anything real, but I quite like it and am curious.
Thanks much, and drag everyone you know to the movie.
Whoa, there son.
"They went through all that just to broadcast a message?"
Not just any message. This was information that the Alliance top brass had decided was so important to keep secret, that they were willing to kill the crew of Serenity and any/everyone they had contact with or ties to.
The information is the truth behind not only the deaths of millions of innocent people, but the emergence of the most wantonly evil force in the galaxy, the Reavers, who have brutally slain thousands more.
Book being killed on the assassin's orders was the impetus for even going to Miranda; the captain had planned to wait things out in hiding, and as with everything else from then on, it forced his hand to that end.
Also, Joss made darn sure in this movie that we KNEW the captain was the principled, compassionate type- one who lives and dies for freedom and truth. Knowing what he knew, he was willing to die if it meant the truth got out.
As to the pistol -- would you mind posting a picture? The one I have is two dark to really make out much detail. The grip looks like a 1911 with a magwell attached. The slide area is all dark in the picture I have and it's hard to see -- the front part looks vaguly like a railed 1911 with some kinda scopeless scope mount on it. The rear I can't see.
So I suppose that means I'm guessing gussied up 1911. Jayne has good taste.
I see the one she grabs in the bar -- looks like a smith and wesson J-frame of some kind with a LOT of sawing off old parts and attaching new ones. Pretty cool.
I agree, I am getting sick of the whole Jackie Chan style, Jedi-Buffy the Agent Smith Killer. It's getting old, and is never done that well anymore. Fortunately Whedon refrained from doing a five mintue, let's battle a hundred Reavers scene.
Yeah, he could still be around. Similar to Obi Wan. Hey George killed him off because he figured he'd only do one movie. But no, Guiness went the full three episodes.
What can I say? I'm a psycho. I was happy someone died, I was especially happy Book is gone. I never did like his character, probably because his beliefs are not compatible with mine. So I'll just let that go. I liked Wash though, I had kind of wished it was Gina Torres or the doctor that got whacked. But I've changed my mind;
Here's where I would like to see this series go;
I believe Whedon should take a break and let the movie simmer in his mind for the next couple years. Likewise I believe some time should pass in the 'Verse. Perhaps five years or so from this movie, and they should drop us right into the middle of a vicious Alliance war. Just plop us right into it.
1. Here2 learn is correct, River is "too powerful". I would like to see somewhere within this next movie something really, really bad happens. She becomes physically disabled. She can no longer go "Neo" on people. I don't know if it's a lucky bullet smacks her in the spine or what, but this takes care of the "nothing in the "Verse can stop e" problem, and sets up some great drama.
2. At first I was mad Wash died, I thought it should have been Torres. But I realized something. Reynolds and Inara are not going to get it on. Face it. They are just too different. I see Whedon is at a fork, he has to decide if his sotry here is about Malcom Reynolds or if it's about Serenity. This is not like "Buffy", you know she will always be arond in the series. Duh it's named after her. Not so with the Firefly universe. So this is what I would like to see; Reynolds can have some romantic involvement with Inara, but look, it just won't work out. Kill her or have her take off. Torres is the one Reynolds is in love with. Okay? Anyway, if the story is about Serenity kill Reynolds, but not before finding out Zoe is really the one Reynolds would have married. And in the process introduce his child, either by Torres or Inara. Reynolds dies, Torres gets the ship, and raises Reynold's kid. How 'bout them apples?
3. Book is not out, he can be reintroduced via flashbacks, I am thinking both as an old man, and the sort of the younger Darth Vader version of Book, in all his badness. Truly evil though, have him raping, pillaging and killing in all it's glory. That has to be the true story of Book. There can't be another.
So you got that? River hurt, physically disabled, leading to more psychosis from the disturbingly attractive lady. Perhaps not wheelchair bound, that's too Professor X. But someone debilitate her from the now overdone Kung Fu. I'm okay with not hurt enough she can't gunsling.
Introduce the young, evil Book and explain his change of life.
And decide if the story's lead character is Mal or the ship. If it's the ship kill Malcolm and intro his son (or daughter). (Nobody would expect that, even though I just typed it.) If it's Mal the ship has got to be destroyed. They need a new ship anyway. In fact I was a bit disappointed they fixed Serenity.
It looked like one of the STI 1911 pistols to me. But I could be wrong, as I've really, really been jonesing for an STI lately.
On a 'hmmm note' River throws the med kit BACK through the hatch "to save some lives" and yet when Mal shows back up... no one has been into the med kit, though we know Zoe knows how to patch up a bullet hole. Heck even Jayne proved he could apply some degree of first aid in the early part of the film. That was mildly annoying to have 4 charcters laying there waiting to die/see what happened. I understand everyone was wounded, but Zoe and Jayne were still capable of doing something.
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