Seriously, What is the BEST fighting pistol?

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What you are missing is that if they have the means to run away after being hit, they STILL HAVE THE MEANS TO CONTINUE ATTACKING YOU AS WELL.

We're not in the killing business, we're in the keeping you and yours safe business.

If he/she is buggering off, leaking claret, then any offensive action you take after that will get indicted at best and jailed at worst.

If he/she is still coming on then continue rounds down range and remember the phrase is Shoot To Stop.
 
I don't want them to be in a position where they are able to choose whether to run away, or feel that they are wounded and cornered and COME AT ME ANYWAY. I want to stop them BEFORE they are at that point. Where did I ever say I didn't intend to stop them? I don't want to shoot at them while they retreat. I DON'T WANT THEM TO RETREAT AT ALL.

This is why we spend hours online arguing about which pistol round is the most effective. IT'S BECAUSE THEY ALL SUCK. All premium pistol rounds are an industrial-scale experiment to see which ones suck the least. Police agencies in the U.S. are so crippled by politically correct rules, they are required to go in with their pistol drawn, when they have the time to grab their carbine. I just flew out of the Paris airport, and can I tell you how refreshing it was to see the French Army walking patrol with a locked and loaded FAMAS rifle? Finally an agency that is willing to face a threat with the full level of force.
 
If unable to reach my AR or a shotgun(buck shot is a hd round) I would have no issue with my XD or my CZ75as a "fighting pistol"
 
Second post on this thread. Someone earlier interjected the expression "combat pistol" as a better description of what we are talking about. This is the clarity I sought in my first post. We can go all the way back to what General Hatcher, and so many other gun gurus, have written about what a combat pistol must do. That is a "combat pistol." As to what the expression "fighting pistol" means, I will define it: "the gun in your hand."

Cordially, Jack
 
An awful lot of Euro Spec Ops guys swear, the HK line of handguns are the ultimate fighting pistol...So, the answer is HK...period...no question.

Except, the US SEALS carry the Sig P226, in 9mm..so, it must be the Sig P226.

Except, the FBI issues the Glock 23 in .40...So...that must be it, except, the elite HRT of the FBI carries a 1911, so, it must be better than the best, right?

Wait, the Air Marshals carry the Sig P229 in .357 SIG, so, obviously, it is the best fighting pistol.

An awful lot of cops defended thier lives handily with the .357 Magnum revolver for many years, can't ask more for that, "dropped like he had been hit by lightening!' and all.

Still, since 1911, the US Military kicked butts all over the world with the 1911 in .45, no question, its the best.

Except, the British SAS were tickled to death with thier Browning High Powers in 9mm until they flat wore them out shooting them...

After years of testing, the US Military decided the Berretta 9mm was the best, so, it must be. Except, the Sig P228 is also issued to specialized units, like CID, AF Special investigations etc...

Everybody...every group...everywhere has what they believe is the "ultimate fighting pistol". And, they are all different. So are you. Pick one, shoot it alot, get comfortable with it and feel pretty well armed.

I own alot of handguns. Nice ones. Most meet the requirement for being one of the best of the best. For me, the vast majority of the time, its a 3" K frame Smith M-65 shoved in my waist band off duty. About as basic a defensive handgun as you can get. Sometimes, simple is good.
 
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The XD is just fine.
And whoever claimed that it's not a "fighting pistol" simply doesn't know what they're talking about.

Personally, I prefer the Glock G22.
 
I guess I am one of the guys who said in the other thread that the XD is not a fighting pistol. As I said there, the necessity of depressing a grip safety in order to work the slide, and the possible difficulty of doing so in a one-handed or other injured-shooter scenario, means I will simply not be spending my money on an XD. As I also said in the other thread, I am not really thrilled with a 1911 grip safety, either, but at least it does not lock the slide.

As for what defines a fighting pistol, well, for me, it is a reliable, powerful pistol that I would voluntarily use in a fight. If a pistol has features that can handicap me while in a fight, I will not voluntarily take it into harm's way. I regularly see a co-worker who experienced major arm trauma during a gunfight against armed home invaders; his scarred, shortened forearm is a constant reminder. There is the FBI shootout with Platt and Mattix as another example, in which at least two agents experienced severe arm injuries.

I am sure the XD is a reliable pistol, overall. Enjoy them if you have them. I will avoid them. For that matter, I now avoid 1911 pistols unless they have both a "speed bump" on the grip safety, and a relieved area at the junction of the front strap and trigger guard, to allow the pistol to sit lower in my skinny hands, ensuring the grip safety is fully disengaged when I want it to be. Mostly, I carry SIGs and revolvers.

Just to be clear, I too will fight with a long gun if I can get to one.
 
Seriously - if you are relying on a handgun for long term survival, gunfights, etc. in some fantasy post apocolypic world or SHTF scenario your gun will likely long outlive and out perform you.

I agree with the poster than said that "tactical" is a nonsense term and so is "fighting pistol."

Nearly any modern handgun will function just fine in self defense situations - we all have our preferences for reliability, handling, weight, capacity, caliber, etc. Choose something mainstream and learn to shoot it well.
 
Seriously, What is the BEST fighting pistol?

1. Pistols do not fight. People do.

2. Even the "best" trained people do not always win the confrontation; anybody can pull a trigger and/or thrust a blade.

3. Everything is relevant and situational.

4. Finally, there really is such a thing as a dumb question. BINGO!
 
JUST what the hell is a FIGHTING PISTOL.??? Sure sounds like a real ad gizzmo to me...

Another good one is in the motorcycle world. Does "crotch rocket" come to mind. ***.

HD High definition TV??? Guess if you don't have HD you indeed have LD Low definition.

My opinion of a fightin gun is one that I have on me at all times that goes bang every time. Now pick your brand.
 
I guess I am one of the guys who said in the other thread that the XD is not a fighting pistol. As I said there, the necessity of depressing a grip safety in order to work the slide, and the possible difficulty of doing so in a one-handed or other injured-shooter scenario, means I will simply not be spending my money on an XD. As I also said in the other thread, I am not really thrilled with a 1911 grip safety, either, but at least it does not lock the slide
i find the above to be unjutified, i have never had that issue with my xd in training. personally i forget the thing is even there. there has not been once that i hadn't depressed it when i picked it up/drew it etc.
 
Haha, if anyone says the XD isn't a fighting pistol, they are out of touch with reality. That XD is plenty mean enough.
 
You have a lot of wiggle room. It should be the one that fits your hand the best, has the features you require, and one you shoot well.

For me they are a Glock 17, Sig 220DAO, and a Kimber Raptor.
 
no brainer here.

of course, the best is the one you got when you need it, or else, run fer the hills, bro...
 
Which dog breed is BEST?
What is the BEST car made?
Where is the BEST place to live?
What is the BEST pickup truck?
Who is the BEST looking female?

Who asked the STUPIDEST question of the week?

Seriously, each of these questions is SUBJECTIVE (look it up). There is no "right" answer to any of these questions (except perhaps the last one) :). Everyone has his opinion, and while you may agree or disagree with any of them, that does not make your opinion (or mine) right.

Which makes this entire discussion a urinating contest. Some may find it amusing, but none will find it productive.

But since you asked my opinion :)
Jeff Cooper believed that the 1911 is the best fighting pistol. While I have never been in a gunfight, and hope to never be in one, my limited experience and regard for his judgement lead me to agree with him. Once again, I realize that my opinion is worth approximately nothing to anyone except me. As it should be.
 
What makes a good fighting pistol?

1. 45 acp caliber with highly manageable recoil characteristics
2. Long barrel, and low bore axis
3. Good trigger with fast reset
4. Dependable operation, rugged, with no pronounced tendency to fail
5. Low maintenance, able to run for a long time without significant cleaning
6. Few operator controls, and few moving parts
7. High capacity magazine
8. Easy to clear and maintain
9. Ready availability of replacement parts
10. Minimal requirement for factory service
11. Ammunition is plentiful and easy to obtain
12. Able to be concealed well
13. Popular, in order to aid with familiarization and parts exchanges
 
So in order to be a good fighting pistol it has to be a .45? Sorry, but that's silly. A good fighting pistol has decent power, but not too much power. I subscribe to the idea that it's all about firepower. That includes the ability to rapidly keep shooting. That means high mag capacity and moderate power to keep it under control. 9mm +P is probably about perfect. But honestly, there are lots of pistols in lots of calibers that are great fighting pistols, including .45. I just don't think it's worthy of the complete worship it receives.

But if you are talking about sheer power and chest exploding ability, there are plenty of rounds out there that put .45 to shame. 10mm comes to mind. Oh, and it's got more mag capacity too.
 
"Seriously, What is the BEST fighting pistol?"

The one you just used to win a gun fight.
 
For me, a pistol that allows you to shoot better than your natural abililities allow you to. any cz sp01, but specifically the phantom because of its lighter weight, gets my vote.
 
So in order to be a good fighting pistol it has to be a .45? Sorry, but that's truly silly. A good fighting pistol has decent power, but not too much power. I subscribe to the idea that it's all about firepower. That includes the ability to rapidly keep shooting. That means high mag capacity and moderate power to keep it under control. 9mm +P is probably about perfect.

But if you are talking about sheer power and chest exploding ability, there are plenty of rounds out there that put .45 to shame. 10mm comes to mind. Oh, and it's got more mag capacity too.

:) That's your personal opinion; and, of course, you're entitled to it. I've had more than 50 years of pistol shooting experience (and time) in which to form this carefully tried and tested conclusion. No other pistol caliber has the highly desirable recoil characteristics of the 45 acp - None!

If you think you can outshoot me with a 9mm, or a 40, or a 357 SIG, or a 10mm, I assure you, you'll have no better luck than many others who've tried. I have often stood next to other shooters and accurately fired two or three times for every accurate single shot the person standing next to me was able to get off. In my experience, high magazine capacity means next to nothing unless you're able to rapidly and consistently hit what you aim at.

The vast majority of pistol shooters I've shot with and against did not, and do not, know how to accurately rapid fire a pistol. If someone were to try to use a 10mm against me, I guarantee I'll get off, at least, two accurate shots for every one the other guy sends my way.

The most important aspects of combat pistol shooting are (1) familiarity with your pistol, (2) ease of recoil management, (3) the ability to quickly level the barrel and/or, 'nest' the front sight, and (4) the ability to deliver accurate sustained rapid fire until the target goes down.

You can say anything you want over the internet; after all, why not, everyone does. I've got 50 years of combat pistol experience that says no handgun caliber works better than 45 acp in a gunfight. There are pistols that shoot bigger bullets; there are pistols that shoot faster bullets; there are pistols that hold more bullets; but, there isn't any pistol, anywhere, that I've ever used in my entire life which handles better than a 45 acp during CQB pistol work - Period. :cool:

Perhaps I should add that 230 grain RN/FMJ bullets are, also, a large advantage to enjoy in a pistol fight. Not politically correct, but, a large advantage nonetheless. Besides, ALL pistol bullets are capable of passing through the target; and JHP bullets are notorious for failing to stop. The shooting incidents in which JHP's have failed to either stop or continued to pass on through are legion.

I'm too old to have a head full of silly ideas. If something doesn't work you can rest assured I got rid of it many years ago. This close to God I always try to do the right thing; and, I always use what works. If you don't want to take the advice I offer, fine; that's your privilege; but, don't call me silly. If anything, I'm on the far side of serious and have been all my life. ;)
 
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