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Seven arrested in Sears Tower jihad attack plot...more arrests to come

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  1. hillbilly

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    This is what I think will finally cause the next major attack on US soil.

    It will be jihadists, homegrown, without "official" connections to Al Qaeda.

    But they will be in total agreement with Al Qaeda.

    Just like the plotters arrested in Canada recently.

    The radical, fundamentalist Wahhabist strain of Islam has, at its heart, a worldview that is incompatible with Western civilization.

    If you don't believe me, just go read what those jihadists have said over and over and over themselves. Go look at their actions. Go look at the justifications they give for their bloody actions.

    That's why this is World War IV.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060623/ap_on_re_us/terrorism_investigation


    By KELLI KENNEDY, Associated Press Writer
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    MIAMI - Seven people were arrested Thursday in connection with the early stages of a plot to attack Chicago's Sears Tower and other buildings in the U.S., including the FBI office here, a federal law enforcement official said.

    As part of the raids related to the arrests, FBI agents swarmed a warehouse in Miami's Liberty City area, using a blowtorch to take off a metal door. One neighbor said the suspects had been sleeping in the warehouse while running what seemed to be a "military boot camp."

    The official told The Associated Press the alleged plotters were mainly Americans with no apparent ties to al-Qaida or other foreign terrorist organizations. He spoke on condition of anonymity so as not to pre-empt news conferences planned for Friday in Washington and Miami.

    Miami U.S. Attorney R. Alexander Acosta said in a statement that the investigation was an ongoing operation and that more details would be released Friday.

    "There is no imminent threat to Miami or any other area because of these operations," said Richard Kolko, spokesman for FBI headquarters in Washington. He declined further comment.

    FBI Director Robert Mueller, questioned about the case during an appearance on CNN's "Larry King Live," said he couldn't offer many details because "it's an ongoing operation."

    "We are conducting a number of arrests and searches" in Miami, Mueller said, which were expected to be wrapped up Friday morning.

    Residents living near the warehouse said the men taken into custody described themselves as Muslims and had tried to recruit young people to join their apparently militaristic group.

    The residents said FBI agents spent several hours in the neighborhood showing photos of the suspects and seeking information. They said the men, who appeared to be in their teens or 20s, had lived in the area about a year.

    The men slept in the warehouse, said Tashawn Rose, 29. "They would come out late at night and exercise. It seemed like a military boot camp that they were working on there. They would come out and stand guard."

    She talked to one of the men about a month ago: "They seemed brainwashed. They said they had given their lives to Allah."

    Rose said the men tried to recruit her younger brother and nephew for a karate class. "It was weird," she said.

    Benjamin Williams, 17, said the group had young children with them sometimes. Sometimes, he added, the men "would cover their faces. Sometimes they would wear things on their heads, like turbans."

    Xavier Smith, who attends the nearby United Christian Outreach, said the men would often come by the church and ask for water.

    "They were very private," said Smith, 33. "The spoke with like an accent, sort of a Jamaican accent."

    Gov. Jeb Bush was briefed on the situation Thursday, according to his spokeswoman, Alia Faraj.

    "We have great confidence in the federal, state and local law enforcement agencies who are committed to keeping our country safe," Faraj said.

    She added that there has been greater communication between state and federal agencies since the 2001 terror attacks.

    The 110-floor Sears Tower is the nation's tallest building. Security was ramped up after the Sept. 11 attacks, and the 103rd-floor skydeck was closed for about a month and a half.

    A spokesman for Gov. Rod Blagojevich said Illinois officials had been in contact with the FBI about the arrests and the investigation. He would not comment further, referring additional questions to the FBI.

    The FBI's headquarters in Miami sits near a residential neighborhood just east of Interstate 95.

    A huge crowd — up to 250,000 people — was expected downtown Friday for a parade to honor the NBA champion Miami Heat. Security measures consistent with such an event were in place, city officials said, and the raids were not expected to affect it.

    Several terrorism investigations have had south Florida links. Several of the Sept. 11 hijackers lived and trained in the area, including ringleader Mohamed Atta, and several plots by Cuban-Americans against Fidel Castro's government have been based in Miami.

    Jose Padilla, a former resident once accused of plotting to detonate a radioactive bomb in the U.S., is charged in Miami with being part of a support cell for Islamic extremists. Padilla's trial is set for this fall.
     
  2. Daniel T

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    The descriptions of their actions seems pretty amature. A decoy perhaps? I hope not.
     
  3. longeyes

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    Just another aspect of the racial, ethnic, and religious fragmentation this country is going to experience.
     
  4. QuickDraw

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    And that didn't seem suspicious?
     
  5. Autolycus

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    Why is that imporatant?
     
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    Just another aspect of the racial, ethnic, and religious fragmentation this country is going to experience.

    ~longeyes


    Once again, longeyes hits the nail on the head. No more explanation necessary. Just because the Muslim population has decided on violence ahead of time doesn't mean that Hispanics, Blacks, and Whites won't in the future.
     
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    Huh. NPR seemed a bit vague about who the alleged terrorists were, this morning; They even suggested they might be a "right wing militia"! :rolleyes:
     
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    The Yahoo article said one of them claimed they were "the Seas of David".

    Google turned up nothing on that phrase.
     
  9. Live Free Or Die

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    The cnn.com article this morning refers to the teachings of the Seas of David as a "blend of Islam and Christianity."
     
  10. cuchulainn

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    Yes, its pretty well accepted that "Al Qaeda" has become more of a ladder conspiracy rather than a top-down organization.

    Maybe so. Then again there've been predictions of race/ethnic wars in the USA for 50-ish years -- it's possible for a pot to simmer and never boil over.

    By the way, you're comparing apples and oranges. Muslims aren't a race (nor are Hispanics, for that matter). And Muslim isn't a valid synonym for Arab. Indeed, one of the largest and most-powerful Muslim nations -- Iran -- is populated by two Caucasian ethic groups, the Persians and the Kurds ... and those two groups of Whites represent a sizable portion of the U.S. Muslim population.

    It's a dangerous, maybe deadly, mistake to look at this in terms of race.
     
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    Given that the FBI "swarmed" them, I am pretty confident it seemed suspcious from day one. If a bunch of muslims started doing military boot camp across the street from me and posting guards around the perimeter, I would at least inquire with the popo. If someone named Tashawna (or whatever) can spot a zoning violation, it is probably serious enough to set off alarms at the Fedi Council.
     
  12. hillbilly

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    Cucuhlain makes another good point that lots of folks need to keep in mind.

    This is Islam. And a specific branch of Islam...the fundamentalist puritannical version that's right out of the 7th centure.

    It is not a race. It is not a culture.

    But that's what makes it so dangerous.

    It's a heady mix of religion and politics that TRANSCENDS race and culture.

    Johnny Walker Lindh does not look a lot like Osama does not look like some of the London Train Bombers does not look like the Filipinos in Abu Sayef does not look like Chechen Muslism does not look like the blond, blue-eyed Muslims from the Balkans and former Yugoslavia.

    That's one of the things I think folks fail to understand.

    hillbilly
     
  13. Lone_Gunman

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    What exactly were they charged with?

    Exercising in a warehouse?
     
  14. StopTheGrays

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    What was World War III?
     
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    Not to be picky, I get the point. However, I don't recall ever seeing any blue-eyed, blonde Muslims in Bosnia (too much Turkish influence, which is why they were converted to Muslim in the first place). The Croates looked that way. However, they are not Muslim.

    I figured it was only a matter of time till this happened in America.
     
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    The Cold War
     
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    Know This...

    They are among us. The left will use this fact as an excuse to disarm us under the guise that it will disarm them. They'll use this as an excuse to ban certain guns - then others - then others...

    Personally, I'll not disarm regardless with what ever comes from Washington DC. If those in Washington DC and any of their minions would just as soon get shot by me instead of the terrorists, they can try to disarm me. Otherwise, I'm on their side as they are, by law, supposed to be on my side in this battle with terrorists and other subversives. This is not a drill. This is not fear mongering. This is not a threat. This is survival of We the People and our rights, freedoms, and personal sovereignty. This is fact.

    Woody

    Look at your rights and freedoms as what would be required to survive and be free as if there were no government. If that doesn't convince you to take a stand and protect your inalienable rights and freedoms, nothing will. If that doesn't convince you to maintain your personal sovereignty, you are already someone else's subject. If you don't secure your rights and freedoms to maintain your personal sovereignty now, it'll be too late to come to me for help when they come for you. I will already be dead because I had to stand alone. B.E.Wood
     
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    Ummm.. this country has been experiencing racial, ethnic, and religious fragmentation since its inception.
     
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    SS...

    I belive that it will increase exponentially given the present mood of Americans.

    Biker
     
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    They were charged with waging was on the USA. They are Islamic wanna be's.

    Its not a race. And has little to with fragmentation. It is like joining a gang. Nothing more, nothing less.

    And the State dept took them down. There are a lot of clowns like this all over our country.
    And it has happened a lot before. It will happen again.
     
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    I am glad that the President's policies in Homeland Security are achieving demonstratable results in our War on Terror... terrorists in Iraq (most recently Zarqawi) and now terrorists in America (this cell in Miami) are coming under our radar as we use the data and intelligence from the Patriot Act to defend our nation. No doubt this group of seven took their marching orders from Ayman al-Zawahiri!

    Thank God they were intercepted.
     
  22. Mr. James

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    Just like the men arrested in Canada "represent[ed] the broad strata of society." Uh. . . yeah. :barf: :barf:

    Most of our .gov and media elite simply refuse to identify the enemy.

    Tecumseh, the Washington comPost's radio station in DC also emphasized the location of the FBI's field office in Miami. I have no idea what significance that could possibly have.
     
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    Near highway = easily accessible, perhaps allowing a truck-bomb to not even leave the highway. Near lots of residences = lots of collateral damage (lots of dead kids on the news).
     
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    Very much so. While many people try to turn these things into race related rantings, that's simply a specious argument. Yes, sometimes unrest and violence SEEM to (and may) follow racial lines, to say that they ALL do is an invalid assumption.

    Having said that, there ARE race related issues in this country, and with these other problems stacked on top, it's gonna get worse before it gets better.

    Can't we all just get along?:D
     
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    These were not terrorists... They were criminals. In fact, they were not even criminals. They wanted Al Qeda to give them guns, bombs, clothes, money and other material. COME ON, were exactly do you draw the line between crime and terrorism... There are lots of people in this country that would kill someone for money and raise hell for money, I do not think that it makes a difference who is paying them to do it.

    This is a joke.

    The family is saying that the alleged perps were not even muslims... Something isn't right here. I mean it. This is the same kind of crap that is going to land us all in jail because we disagree with "the man".

    Also, immigration. Nough said there.
     
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