seven sins shooters commit

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  1. 230RN
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    230RN I keep pushing that pendulum back.

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    Helpful would be to post big signs at every entry which emphasize the fact that they will be required to own a firearm to register to vote and own property. Add "TURN AROUND AT NEXT EXIT."

    You don't have to make any actual laws to that effects, since Califorians automatically believe everything they read.

    Terry scurries away and hides, knowing full well that contrary to forum rules, he is denigrating a whole class of people. Nyah-nyah!
     
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    That's what we were saying about everybody moving to California 50-60 years ago:). I was born there and we had fantastic upland, waterfowl hunting and salt water fishing back in the 50s,60s and 70s when I was growing up. I left over 20 years ago.
     
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  3. 230RN
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    230RN I keep pushing that pendulum back.

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    Yes, I remember Skeeter Skelton talking about the shooting opportunities there, like pig hunting.

    Colorado is suffering the same fate and I'm in danger here of waxing political.
     
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  4. gyp_c2

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    Those guys? :what:
    They may know a little about the subject.
    ;)
     
  5. 230RN
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    230RN I keep pushing that pendulum back.

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    There was a discussion a while ago about robberies of convenience stores where I pointed out the criminal's rule that "Dead witnesses can't testify."

    I don't know if this is legit under THR rules, but I noticed that JPFO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership) had a recent alert on the subject.

    "Danger of 'Giving
    Robbers What They Want' "
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    https://jpfo.org/alerts2022/alert20220920.htm

    I was surprised to find this site a couple of years ago since it had always been my impression that institutionally, Jews hated guns.

    Terry, 230RN
     
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  6. Heir Kommt Die Sonne

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    My personal inputs:

    1.: True enough and is probably the most important thing they talked about. Train for what is most probable, make sure you're proficient at whats probable.
    3.: Nothing more to add other than their comment about a good belt goes with a good holster comment. Im guilty of this, picked out some comfortable holsters but my belts are still deplorable. Should probably just suck it up and spend the 40 dollars on a good belt.
    4.: True enough. Actually it was a online video game, years ago that taught me this. A game where you're defending a downed helicopter for several in-game days. The game allows you to buy all these gadgets for your weapons but playing the game over and over again I realized most of those gadgets dont improve the game at all. Later as a adult, I realized this was exactly true in real life as well. Yes if you have problems (like eyesight, or poor grip, etc.) spend money to fix those issues, Nothing wrong wiht putting a good scope on your gun if you truly need it.
    5.: The way I see this is if you focus on accuracy first, and master that skill in of itself, over time youll start getting faster anyway, while your accuracy remains the solid same.
    6.: This one is probably the weakest (maybe I just haven't met anyone who's actually done this to a defense gun?) but yes, in genral we want to avoid modifying our carry guns as much as possible. Dont carry a gun unless you confirm it can cycle 200 rounds without failure.
    7.: This one I will have to disagree on, and its only because Something is at least better than nothing
     
  7. wally

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    This is the only one I have an issue with. While you certainly can't miss fast enough to win, it is trivial to be slow enough to lose while looking to place an accurate shot. The first one to put a bullet into a 6-8" circle centered on the sternum at the range of the encounter will pretty much always win, unless body armor is involved. But even a poor hit fired before the opponent can get of a shot will mess up their aim and buy you more time for a slower more accurate followup shot.
     
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    Not to mention that the way they work is a major asset under stress. You look thru the dot and focus on the target. I don't care who you are, it is damn hard to focus on the front sight instead of the threat if the bullets might be flying in both directions!
     
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    Somewhat contrived.
     
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    There are a lot of old men yelling at cloud/gun videos and pod casts lately.
     
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  11. Heir Kommt Die Sonne

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    I agree with most of their points, still a useful video although I did disagree with a few points, felt they over stated some others.

    I dont dismiss it when "old people" give advice, I heavily value input actually, But this is not to say there aren't alot of people who use their age to justify their arrogance. We've all ran into them at some point, especially when it comes to guns.
    By far the majority of people on this forum are open minded people. We love guns of all types, no reason to be opinionated. In real life there are some who don't engage as much in discussion of these topics who begin to form very hard opinions about things, that don't matter. Like using a metal frame vs polymer. There's people who become very snobby about sticking to the old and tried 1911; on the other end, we get people who use Glocks who assume you're a fudd for preferring anything else.

    Either way, no matter how we put it, there's 2 things in the video that we all agree on: Just carry a gun, period. And that Idaho is a beautiful state.
     
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    We tend to dismiss the value of older people in our culture. many are Tik-Tok "influencer" sensitive. (not me for sure)
     
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  13. GEM

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    Since I am an older person, I don't value tik-tok but also I take old men yelling at clouds with a grain of salt. Well known usage cliches are fun to post and pontificate about for newbies. Maybe they need them. Saying cliches like the probable vs. possible with it being a nuanced conversion (like this one wasn't) isn't particularly useful.
     
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    I agree with most points, and will disagree as I watch.

    First one I am going to disagree with is when Ken describes get a walnut crush grip on your handgun. Okay, not necessary in my opinion. Especially with a casual or new shooter. Many people do not train their grip enough to hold a crush grip for very long. I have seen new shooters hold on for dear life, white knuckling their firearm and the hands start to shake. Throwing off shots, causing fatigue, and make shooting less enjoyable. The method I teach is a firm handshake grip. It is easy to practice if you shake hands with people a lot. And it is a comfortable grip level, even with weak hands.

    Attachments. Not really listed as a sin but rolled into another point they made at several instances. Lights were touched on and red dots at another point. Red dots make shooting easier for a lot of folks. I have seen it in my classes. It is easier to teach someone to shoot on a red dot than iron sights. Army figured this out in 2003 with bringing in new recruits and having their first rifles with optics on them. Marksmanship scores skyrocketed and they tried testing new standards because scores with optics were so high. I carry my firearm with a light on it, and an optic. Same gun at night goes off my belt and into a bedside safe as a home defense weapon. Now I could put the light on at night and take it off when carry, or just leave it as is. I also work nights now so a light is even more practical for me now than it ever has been.

    Everything else I can agree with and see the point.
     
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  15. Heir Kommt Die Sonne

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    Ohh yeah I forgot this part. Yeah you don't need a tough grip on it. Just grip it like you mean it, like the gun is a extension of the body. Either that means you'll relax it or stiffen it, doesn't matter; just grip it like you mean it, with confidence.

    Yeah red dots are definitely the new set standard. Theres people who've been shooting for a while who don't even know how to use iron sights, believe that!

    Yep, agree with most of their points and probably would stills end the video to a new shooter; its just they weren't too nuanced on some of their points.
     
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    I helped write an obituary for a friend this last week. Everyone talked about it, thought about it, had some great ideas, but nobody was putting it on paper. I roughed out a basic document in the self-deprecating manner of our dead friend, and soon everyone was jumping in and adding their thoughts. Somehow, it was enjoyed and I got the blame when it actually had about a half dozen authors. Until we had a basic framework on paper, it was all just floating around in our heads.

    That's the idea with videos of this type. I don't expect everyone to agree, but it's a way to broach the topics and explore the different approaches that have worked for you. I appreciate hearing about the experiences and solutions others have had and developed. I don't understand the need to assign a rating, but if it makes you happy, feel free. All I know is there is plenty of room for improvement of my skills, and this gives me tools to try. We have a wide spectrum of experience and skills, so even basic observations can be helpful.
     
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    I’m gonna go practice what I suck at.

    (More than one thing)

    :scrutiny:
     
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    I'll agree with these for the most part however with regard to Number 4 I think people would be better served by spending the money to train for a day or two with a good trainer than the equivalent cost off ammo practicing by themselves. A good trainer can dramatically shorten the learning curve and prevent ingraining bad habits.

    With regard to Number 5 it really depends on how accurate we're talking. Accuracy doesn't help you much if you miss but it might make the other guy duck or run. If you're too slow he's gonna shoot you first and it doesn't matter how accurate you would have been. Basically you should be fast and accurate.
     
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    Nailed it.
    Doesn't appear to be aimed at proficient practitioners at all.
    The fact they asked for and appreciate comments and criticism should be a clue.
    All they are pointing out is the most important tool in the tool box.

    The brain and using it.
     
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    I posted this just before leaving home for session at the range. Actually, I'm kinda proud of the result. I usually shoot for small groups, single action, slow fire. I suck at double action shooting. So I practiced snatch and shoot (range does not permit drawing from leather so I snatched the guns off the table), single, double, and triple taps, with .38 revolvers and my 9mm CZ. 10 yards, all shots hit in an 8" circle.

    Not Olympic, not even competitive, but reassuring.

    But, yeah, I need to practice this stuff more.
     
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    Build the wall!
     
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