Sharps .45-70

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  1. MEHavey

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    That's not how barrels (or powders) work over longer lengths
    Duplicating Hornady's 325grFTX/24"/2,027fps/28,000psi load literally max's out a case full/compressed (big time) of AA2495 at 2.29" OAL -- 91% burn
    Extending that barrel another 10" buys you pretty much exactly another 136fps, ...and 94% burn.

    If I assume Hornady Reloading center max'd out lever-action pressures for their advertised 2,250fps, I use an unobtanium-compressed load of AR_Comp for that 24"/2,250 at near 43,000psi (!!).
    34" only buys me another 104fps.

    Please do go get a chronograph.


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  2. tallpaul

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    20170923_134813.jpg 20170923_134755.jpg well. Dad and I and 4 other guys ordered Shilohs back in the 80's before shiloh moved to wyoming. It took 6 years to get them.ad could not buy/pay for his when they came in so I bought both... It was years before I shot one of them a couple years back when I found a "buffalo silhouette shoot". I love em... two 45/70 Number one sporter 30 inch heavy barrel with pewter forends,,, need to shoot them more I just last year got the MVA soule sight... beautiful![​IMG]
     
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  3. Jimster

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    Niiiiice!
     
  4. tallpaul

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    DSCN1090.jpg DSCN1088.jpg couple other picts... DSCN1087.jpg
     
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  5. tallpaul

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    I would do a Shiloh or even a C sharps... for a I always wanted a quality Sharps...
     
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  6. StrawHat

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    If I ever get a Sharps, it would be one of the ones scaled down for the 22 Hornet or 38-55.


    Kevin
     
  7. Armored farmer

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    Man, that's a Beautiful rifle!
     
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  8. Armored farmer

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    I'm getting nearer to ordering a rifle.... Maybe this week.

    You guys that are shooting your sharps:
    What bullet, brass, primer, and powder are you using?
    I would certainly be casting my own bullets, and buying brass...
     
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  9. Twocanary

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    Umm, here is my IAB (It's Always Broke?). From 10 feet away it looks awesome (to me). I only shoot mild white powder loads through it because man loads are not good for cup cakes. And don't want to break anything again. Pic has a friend's C Sharps next to it. Targets are centering IAB's group and tweaking a light load @ 50 yards.
     

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  10. PapaG

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    I have always wanted a Sharps but made do with a Remington smokeless rolling back action and a Numrich Buffalo Hunter barrel/stock kit. You asked about loads so here is my all time fave. Shot all day with no wiping, clean with two or three patches and do 1 1/2 MOA at 100, 4 5/8" at 200 (repeatable).
    Winchester case, RWS lr match primer, five grains DuPont bulk shotgun smokeless, 55 grains DuPont ffg, grease wad, milk carton disc. Lyman 457124 cast of 1-20, sized .457 with Javalina lube (alox/beeswax). Bullet was about 380 grains. Most of th e time we reloaded the same case for our bench matches. Slip bullet into case, no crimp. For silhouettes, if load fixed ammo. I even played with beech seating but did not get significant improvement.
     
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  11. tallpaul

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    ya need to get a copy of Mike Venturino's book on reloading
    https://www.huntingtons.com/store/product.php?productid=16164
     
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  12. Captain*kirk

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    I keep it simple.
    Starline brass with LR primer
    60gr of 2F powder, compressed using Montana Precision Swaging compression die
    Montana Precision cast boolits, 535gr Postell prelubed with SPG black powder lube
    Walters Wads .030 fiber wad over the powder (installed with the MPS compression die)
    No crimp
     
  13. Shanghai McCoy

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    Pretty much my "recipe" as well though I also us the Montana Precision 405gr FB/FN bullets.
     
  14. StrawHat

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    I haven’t loaded many 45-70s since I started loading and using the 50-70 but I can tell you that card wads made from Wheaties do not make the rifle shoot like a champion.


    Kevin
     
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  15. Jim Watson

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    Of course not, all us experts use milk cartons.
     
  16. Captain*kirk

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    Not the Missing Kids portion....!!!:eek:
     
  17. Driftwood Johnson

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    Howdy

    In addition, or instead of, the book mentioned above I highly recommend Shooting Buffalo Rifles of the Old West by Mike Venturino. You can see my copy is well worn. This book has a section on every one of the different Buffalo rifles. It has a section explaining the basics of loading Back Powder cartridges for the old rifles. Probably the most valuable chapter in the book. Then there is a section on the specifics of each cartridge, of which there were many. I was quoting Mike when I said to start with the 45-70 before moving on to any of the more exotic cartridges. I just checked, this book is available on Amazon.

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    I use a RCBS set of 45-70 dies. Don't forget to lube your cases, I don't think anybody makes carbide dies for 45-70. The brass actually has a very slight taper. The piece at the top of the box is the compression plug I bought from Buffalo Arms. I pop it into the belling die. I just checked and it is still available.

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    I seat all my 45-70 primers by hand with a RCBS primer seating tool. I load all my 45-70 rounds on my old Lyman Spartan single stage press.

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    I use 45-70 Winchester brass that I bought a long time ago. (Note: I bought some Federal 45-70 brass years ago and could not load them. Something strange, they kept getting jammed in my sizing die.)

    I use any Large Rifle primer, usually Winchester because that is what I have laying around. After sizing and decapping and belling the case mouths I drop 70 grains of Schuetzen FFg through a 24" drop tube into every shell. Then the powder gets compressed a bit, then I seat a .030 thick card on top of the powder before adding the bullet. I use the 405 grain bullet Montana Precision Swaging bullet I showed in a previous post. I used to buy them from Buffalo Arms. Although it is not necessary to crimp the bullet in a cartridge intended to be shot in a single shot rifle, I do put a little bit of a crimp on my rounds.

    I use these same rounds in my 45-70 Trapdoor.

    P.S. Don't forget what I said about a 'shotgun style' butt plate. A friend had a Billy Dixon Sharps in 45-120 with a crescent shaped butt plate. It hurt like hell every time he pulled the trigger. I don't see the sense in buying a 45-70 rifle with a crescent shaped butt plate and then putting a pad over it. Buy the 'shotgun style' butt plate in the first place. Crescent shaped butt plates require a different technique, hiking the butt out further on the shoulder so the crescent encircles the shoulder joint. Do not place a crescent shaped butt plate on the meaty part of your shoulder, I guarantee it will hurt as the sharp points of the crescent dig into your flesh. Although I have lots of 44-40 and 38-40 rifles with crescent shaped butt plates, and I do hike them further out on my shoulder, that was uncomfortable to do from a bench or lying prone, so I went with the flatter butt plate and have always been glad I did.

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  18. Captain*kirk

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    Driftwood, I have the RCBS standard .45-70 dies for my smokeless rounds but decided to go with their "Cowboy Dies" for my black powder loads. I suspect the tolerances are a little looser as the bullet seating is easier as is sizing the brass. Using those dies might make loading your Federal brass a little easier.
     
  19. Jim Watson

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    Actually I use commercial fiber wads.
    Got to be careful, there is a lot of old information out there, like Magnum primers for black.

    And I am a wimp, I don't even own a .45-70; a 10 lb .38-55 and an 11 lb .40-65 are about all the fun I can stand for 56 shots in a morning.
     
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  20. amp-rat

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    Thanks Armored Farmer for starting this thread. I'd been wanting a Shiloh 45-70 for ages. So I bought one today, Montana Rough Rider should have it next week.

    Now the challenge of finding reloading components, and some factory ammo so I can at least try it out!
     
  21. Captain*kirk

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    You won't regret it.
     
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    Now I need patience, as I'm having them tap the barrel for a MVA scope before shipping. The fit and finish of their rifles is just breathtaking. It really is a lifetime, hand it down the generations purchase.
     
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  23. Miguel Loco

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    Great info......and pretty much the same process I use. Thanks for taking the time to post it! I enjoy seeing other people's processes......makes a great mental check up!
     
  24. Armored farmer

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    Pm me the info if you think you got a good deal. I've been making a few calls but I haven't located what I want.
    I insist on fancy wood for this one.
    @Driftwood Johnson has me reconsidering the stock shape....I'm an old shotgunner anyway...with shoulder injuries.....I had better listen to him.
     
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  25. Captain*kirk

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    AF, I purchased many years ago, a Past Magnum recoil pad. It fits under a jacket, vest or hoodie, is light and easy to slip on and off. It's allowed me to shoot magnum loads in my CF rifles as well as my BP loads in the Sharps...highly recommended.

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100251390?pid=367156
     
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