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Sheer MADD-ness: When Drunk Driving Deterrence Becomes Neo-Prohibition

Discussion in 'Legal' started by roo_ster, Oct 9, 2005.

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  1. roo_ster

    roo_ster Member

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    I thought the .08 BAC was a bad idea, first & foremost because the federales have no business fiddling with traffic laws enforced by the states.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171383,00.html
     
  2. Lone_Gunman

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    I am not sure I understand why the tax exempt status would be revoked. Even if MADD has changed its mission, it would still qualify as tax exempt if it is non-profit.
     
  3. TarpleyG

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    MADD is no better than the MMM IMO. Just a bunch of nosy old bitties with nothing better to do than butt into other people's business. Granted, driving drunk is a problem--but so is driving tired, driving while on the phone, driving while putting on makeup, driving while reading, etc....

    Greg
     
  4. Leatherneck

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    Tax-exempt organizarions cannot step over the line into legislative advocacy.

    TC
     
  5. stevelyn

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    Our court system has become so clogged w/ marginal DUI cases (especially the .08-.10 BACs) that both sides look for ways to $^!T can cases just to get rid of the bottleneck.
    It's a wonder our real criminal cases see the light of day in a reasonable time.
     
  6. Yanus

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    Let's just ban the manufacture, possession, sale, and consumption of alcohol. That'll certainly work........... :banghead: Idiots!

    Yanus
     
  7. robert garner

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    heh heh heh

    My daugher has spent 17 yrs on a ventilator(breathing machine) we collect both
    feces and urine in a bag . This has destroyed this familys hopes dreams and any possibility of retirement.
    The drunk (.27) was fined 2k and served 17 1/2 mos.
    I guess thats fair?
    To keep this on topic I did not shoot the B@#$%rd ,but then we all make mistakes,don't we? If he had gotten drunk and walked down the street indiscrimately firing a shotgun, bet justice would have been seen.
     
  8. Ezekiel

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    There's really no way to "follow" such a post, so won't: other then to say that there is a HUGE difference between .27 and .08 as a number. I don't think that .08 should be prosecuted.

    "Peace".
     
  9. Lupinus

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    It is insanity. .08 is a low number. And that having any alcohol before driving is a crock. So I go to dinner with my kid and have a glass of wine I am going to loose him? BS. And so is the ignition tube. It is my personal private property. The goverment has no right mandating I instal something on it so that I can drive it. What if im at .09 and it is an emergency? What if I had a drink that would bring me to .04 a few minute's ago, and because of that there is still some alcohol left in my mouth so it screw's with the reading?

    We tried prohibition. It was stupid then and it is even more stupid now that we perfectly see it does not accomplish anything. If I want to drink and alcohol is prohibited I can make a few gallon's of alcohol a week in some five gallon bucket's and sugar.

    It is insane. The people that support them need to stop being voted into power.
     
  10. beerslurpy

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    Having .08 is the equivalent of less than a single beer. Do you guys realize how easy it is to blow .08? You can blow up to .04 without having a drink. It is just like the ultra low speed limits designed to catch people who arent driving recklessly.

    Above .15 to .20 is too drunk to drive. I've seen too many people drive completely safely with that much in their system to think it is unsafe. Someone who is hammred is going to blow way over that amount and someone who has had a beer or two over 4-5 hours of hanging out at a bar will blow below that.
     
  11. cropcirclewalker

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    Driving while intoxicated is no more of a crime than running with scissors.

    So low we've sunk. It's not your BAC that counts, it's what you do with it.
     
  12. Ezekiel

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    Well, I personally disagree with THAT, but 0.08 is ridiculous...
     
  13. Lupinus

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    I have to disagree.

    If you run with a pair of scissor's and fall the most you are going to do is make a hell of a mess for someone else to have to clean up. If you don't fall and run into someone else the worst you can do is kill someone else.

    If you are highly intoxicated and get behidn the wheel of a car you can ruin live's. Many live's. You can make a bus swerve and go off the road. You can run into a car with an entire family in it. You can run into the back of someone and cause an explosion or fire and mame them for life provided they don't die. You can jump a curb and plow through a sidewalk full of people. You can not hit anyone, but you can make they swerve to avoid your stupid move and smash into a tree or telephone pole.

    There is to extreme..and this is way to extreme IMO. .08 is way to low and random checkpoint's are IMO rediculas and illegal.

    But it is no where near just runnign with a pair of scisor's. Runnign with scisor's you at most end one life or injure someone. Getting behind the wheel drunk you can destroy many, many live's.
     
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    Cropcirclewalker, are you so certain?

    I'd invite you to my brother's Christopher's headstone. He was killed at age 12 by a drunk driver. What you so cavalierly assign to fate, I'd assign to an undeniably conscious choice by that particular drunk driver. :mad:
     
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    every body who reads this thread that drinks stop for just one year,and see if you start back next oct.9 2006.
     
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    And the point of that is...?
     
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    OK, but only if you stop posting messages on the internet for one year and see if you start back first :neener:
     
  18. Lupinus

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    I already don't drink on a regular basis. I will occasionaly have a glass of wine or other drink.

    But reguardless....I have no clue what stoping for a year and seeing if you start agian has to do with anything
     
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    Isn't there a word for this, derived from an old latin term for "bundle"?
     
  20. longeyes

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    More like shooting your guns in the air in a public venue, I'd say.
     
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    MADD and MMM/Brady = modern-day WCTU

    Demon rum! Demon gun! :D
     
  22. Lone_Gunman

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    I don't know that changing the legal limit is the answer here. Some people are drunk at .08, some are not.

    I do think if a driver kills someone while operating an automobile under the influence of alcohol or drugs, he should be subject to the death penalty.
     
  23. Otherguy Overby

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    Driving skills

    Some time ago, way back in the prior century, some motorcycle safety types got together and experimented.

    They took varying levels of rider experience and got them drunk under controlled conditions. Yeah they couldn't do that now because it's not PC, but they went on regardless.

    Who they tested:

    Newbies, various levels of "experienced" riders and a road racer.

    What they discovered:

    All the riders had reduced skill levels at increased blood/alcohol levels.

    What was not commonly reported was:

    The road racer had BETTER skills when legally intoxicated than ALL the others had when sober.

    IOW, skill level is a great factor, but it's more PC to attack alcohol than idiots. .08 is going for the lowest common denominator, is PC and successful politically.

    Kinda like the gun issue, eh wot?
     
  24. Shield529

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    To beerslurpy; you stated "Having .08 is the equivalent of less than a single beer. Do you guys realize how easy it is to blow .08? You can blow up to .04 without having a drink"

    I don't mean to be rude but that is an out right lie.
    160 Lb. Male will need 3-4 drinks to be at .07-.09
    250 Lb. Male will need 5-6
    One drink is 1.5 oz. of 80 proof liquor, 12 oz. of beer, or 5 oz. of table wine.

    You cannot blow anything with some form of alcohol consumption, mouthwash and simlilar substance containing alcohol that is not ingested will create a false reading for up to 15 minutes, hence the mandatory 20 minute observation time before law enforcment can have you perform a BAC testing.

    I have personally observed people at .07 who cannot walk and .25 that showed nothing more than Gaze Nystagmus.
    That said most seriously impaired drivers that are performing so badly as to attract my attention are at .12-.18. But I believe that is just the avg. amount of consumption after night of drinking at a bar.
    To those who believe it, no one get arrested after one wine at dinner with their family. But after all I have seen with DWI there is no reason at all to drive after you have drank anything at all.
     
  25. bratch

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    I have a friend that got busted for APC (actual physical possession) he was at a friends house went out side to his truck to make a phone call/get something and was busted for being too close to his truck, having possession of his keys and being over the legal limit. It was the same as DUI without even being in the vehicle.

    He was required to get the blow tube put in his truck. The kill limit on it was .02 1/4 of the legal limit. There were many times he would go out and still be over the limit at 3 or 4 in the afternoon the next day. Mouthwash would set it off. The mouthwash would only be a minor incovience except that he almost missed early morning test waiting on it to get low enough for his truk to start.
     
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