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  1. SSN Vet

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    Brazen Store Clerk Foils Robbery Attempt
    Robber Leaves Empty-handed After Clerk Demands To See Gun
    POSTED: 10:50 am EDT August 6, 2010
    UPDATED: 1:42 pm EDT August 6, 2010

    OXFORD, Maine -- A convenience store clerk foiled a would-be robber Thursday night after she called his bluff when he pretended to have a gun in his sweatshirt pocket.

    Oxford Police Chief John Tibbetts said the robber, wearing a gray hooded sweatshirt, sunglasses and a bandana across his face, entered Lampron's Lil Mart on Route 26 around 10 p.m. Thursday. The man, believed to be in his mid 20s, approached the counter and told the female clerk, "This is a robbery. Give me the money," Tibbetts said.

    The clerk, thinking that she saw a soda bottle in the man's sweatshirt pocket, responded by asking the robbery to show her his gun, Tibbetts said.

    The man then turned around and left the store empty-handed, he said.
     
  2. hso

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    And the point is...
     
  3. SSN Vet

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    I often read discussion on this board about the merits of engaging a BG, protecting property vs. life, how to respond to a hold up in a convenience store, etc...

    I think this article brings up an option, that while most here might consider dimly, appeared to be a viable choice with an acceptable outcome.

    Option C = calling a bluff.

    got to ante-up and put your chips on the table, if your going to go that route.

    If this is not appropriate for S&T, please move/delete as you deem appropriate
     
  4. 4sooth

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    Just had a local stickup where the bad guy used a small knife to gain entry to a fast food place. The woman manager grabbed the guy by the face and shoved him into a cooler door--he dropped the knife and fled--shot himself while driving along the interstate.
     
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    I think this goes in the la la land of, at anytime, anyplace, anything can happen with any results.

    Chance favors the prepared and if you are all about calling bluffs I think your days may be numbered. If you are about playing the odds and still being defense minded then you would pull your own gun on the robber that claimed to have a gun and did not have it out and see who wins that fight.
     
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    Sometime you can bluff and get away with it. It requires basically three things; the ability to read people very very well, lots of guts, and even more luck.
     
  7. Sgt_R

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    IMO, don't call someone's bluff unless you're prepared to back up your own words with action. In this case (unarmed, in an insured business, etc.), I'd just hand over the cash.

    Obviously I'm happy that things worked out for the lady in the story, but if the robber had pulled a gun, things could have worked out differently.

    R
     
  8. RevDerb

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    I would say that the point is that someone found an interesting story and thought that others would enjoy reading it too.
     
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    It is gutsy but not sure I would go that route if I were her. Personal property is one thing. I am not getting shot over someone else's property.

    I used to manage a McD's in a previous life. I told my kids at the counter, if someone EVER comes in like that, just give them the money, we are insured for $$$ we will get it back.

    Her option, she got best case, outcome. He could have just whooped her backside. or hit her with something.

    Now try it if he WAS armed. She calls his bluff he pulls it and shoots her just for spite. Or now, she has a gun in her face instead of his pocket.

    Instead if she cooperated, gave him money, he leaves, end of story. Whether he has a weapon ir not. She does not have the means to resist him. So IMO best policy is to give him the cash.

    Now, if she had a gun behind the counter, or on her, that is a different story, But apparently she did not.

    brave but dumb, IMO.
     
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    A week or so ago, a young lady in a cellphone store in Palm Beach County talked a robber out of his intended deed by preaching the Word of God to him. He had told her he was desperate for cash, as he had lost work and was struggling to support a family. As he left the store, he profusely thanked her for having stopped him from following through. In the surveillance video, he appears truly sincere and emotional as he leaves. No weapon was displayed, though he had told her he had a gun.
    This was, of course, not a sound strategy. As it came to be, his newfound salvation did not overcome his need for easy cash, as he appears responsible for another robbery in a convenience store a few hours later.
     
  11. bikerdoc

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    Silly and dangerous act of bravado that could have had a negative outcome.

    Just my .02
     
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    nice to cover-up a bluff.
    But i´d rather re-raise to a shotgun.

    ( pointing to a sign "Rule #1 for a gunfight - bring a gun, would have been hilarious)
     
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    RevDerb,

    If that was all there was to it it would have been better posted in General.

    I assumed SSN Vet saw some unstated lesson in it that made it appropriate for S&T and wanted to give him the chance to share that with ya'll.
     
  14. Mike J

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    I would say it was very observant of her to spot the coke bottle in the pocket & realize it was not a gun. I would also say she was very fortunate he did not decide to subdue her physically. It could have gotten really ugly.
     
  15. gun guy

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    i'm glad you posted that. I actually have a section in my book on "pistol poker" looks like his bluff got called. ah, you wanna bluff you gotta keep a poker face. another example, a guy has a double barrel, is it empty? raise or fold, you have the empty double barrel, same bet. it's high stakes poker no doubt. did i fire 5 or did i fire 6, go ahead, make my day.
     
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    I think she did the right thing for the situation.
    Life is chance game sometimes.
    Those that cling to it too much can die, while those that can let go of the 'rule' and ride the waves often carry the day :)
     
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    Well then apparently the clerk has a lot more brains than you gave her credit for, eh? In fact, it sounds like she was more thoughtful than brassy. She realized that if the guy wasn't going to display a gun with which he was threatening, then the threat was likely bogus. She used her proverbial verbal judo and disarmed and unarmed man. Smart lady.
     
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    One thing for sure, she rejected the liberal's idea of acceptable "defense" tactics by rolling into a fetal ball and sobbing, "Please don't hurt me very bad!"

    God bless her, may her kind increase!
     
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    This store is less than 10 miles from my house and I've been in there a few times :uhoh:

    Glad it worked out well for her, but I'd rather call his bluff with a weapon of my own....
     
  20. SSN Vet

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    For many years I had a very nice female co-worker (who wound up getting demoted and then later laid off :( ) who had worked for Mobile for years, setting up mini-marts, training employees, etc... (she burned out in that job and came to work as a customer service rep. at the company I work at).

    She also moonlighted working the register at a mom & pop gas station and convenience store, and often had "interesting" stories at the lunch room table.

    Let's just say that at 300+ lbs. she could hold her own with most teenagers and small to mid size men.

    She was a very kind hearted woman and extremely honest (almost to a fault, if that's possible). Yet she had learned to read people very, very well over the years and frequently had stories of wrestling cases of beer away from teenagers, etc... I think her mindset was that all of the delinquents that frequented this country store in a poor town were like her kids, and she would "set them straight".

    I personally think that mind set is a carry over from generations past, when most people had some kind of conscience and could be morally cowed by a strong willed authority figure. The U.S. seems to have "evolved" into a nation with far to many viscous and cold blooded killers that would just as soon bury an "old fat lady" than have her tell them what to do. Hence the stakes are MUCH higher at the card table than they ever used to be.

    I can say one thing for sure, neither my wife, nor my kids will be working in a gas station or convenience store. No way, no how.
     
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    Well, in my opinion it wasn't too dangerous a bluff to call. If he truly meant her harm he'd have had the gun out in the first place, and getting him to display it wouldn't really up the ante much. Plus the fact that, as a clerk, she KNEW what a soda bottle looked like. I'd say good thinking on her part. Someone like that isn't trying to create a scene. They're trying to be low profile. There's a distinct difference between that type of robber and a thug who points his gun right at the clerk. You do NOT mess with someone who has a gun out and waving it around. However there's a little leeway with someone who clearly is trying to avoid causing harm in the first place.
     
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    How old was this lady?

    It's probably wrong of me but I get the image of 70 year old, lunch-lady looking battle axe that's just plain fed up with all these whippersnapper's crap.
     
  23. lamazza

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    Posturing can be very dangerous. I agree more brass then brains.
     
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    if she saw the bottle, what's the big deal? I like the approach.
     
  25. Vern Humphrey

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    I can recall reading of a bank robbery where the robber wrote his demands on a deposit slip. Then he stood in line, figiting, waiting for his turn at the window.

    Tired of waiting, he decided to go to the bank across the street. When he gave the note to the teller there, she told him she couldn't honor it -- it wasn't written on a deposit slip from her bank.

    Frustrated, he went back across the street and got into line again -- while the teller at the second bank called the police. When the police arrived, he was still standing in line, holding the stick-up note.
     
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