Shield trigger pull sucks

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Kahr33556, Nov 18, 2013.

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  1. Kahr33556

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    Well before I have even shot the gun I'm thinking I made a mistake getting this gun.
    smith says 6.5 mine feels more like 8.5.
    my Kahr is muck lighter and I think it's supposed to be 7.5.
    I will give it a chance at the range but a good triger is what makes a gun to me.
    they say crisp I guess you gotta pull that sucker.
     
  2. Glocktogo

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    First, have you lubed the fire control components? The one I bought my wife felt terrible out of the box. Cleaned and lubed, it got better. A couple hundred dry fire cycles and more improvement. It will never be match grade or 1911 pull quality, but a lot of people drop in the Apex kit and wind up with a pretty smooth/crisp 4.5#ish pull.

    I'm waiting until she tells me she definitely likes it better than her standard M&P before getting the Apex kit.
     
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  4. Kahr33556

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    Yep lubed just ussing hopps oil
    dry fired only 10 times or so
    will this help/dry firing ?
     
  5. ritepath

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    Yup...mine actually causes my finger to hurt after dry firing it a bunch of times while trying to smooth it out. I've probably dry fired mine 1000 or more times (with snap cap)

    I'm going to do the apex kit before long, I love this little pistol but for the life of me I can't figure out what all those "the shield trigger is so great" threads we saw a year ago were about. My 08 9c had a better trigger. A crisp 8# break isn't crisp at all...
     
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    I called S&W when I first got mine because of the stiff trigger and the rep I talked to told me to put 200 rounds through it before I got too worried about it. I bought the Apex kit and didn't like the sear but the striker block really worked to smooth out the trigger. I think the sear was too light for my carry gun. Several hundred rounds later I have a fairly nice 5-5 1/2# trigger.
     
  8. 9mmepiphany

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    Did you follow the install directions...that is why they include two different springs in the D/C AEK
     
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    My gun just required the Apex sear only to drop it to 5-3/4#. A fifteen minute fix.
     
  10. Kahr33556

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    I stoned the trigger bar where it Will contact the safety plunger kinda rough like a casting.
    Going to the range today
     
  11. gym

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    I think the gun is a winner at $400.00. But that is what it is, a $400.00 pistol. You aren't going to get a perfect gun for that kind of money any more. I think that once you get around 5 hundred and up, "generally" the components are more uniform and generally smoother. These guns are all done by machines, 'as most know", so you have to expect a little fine tuning to be required.
    The thousand dollar and up guns, normally are fitted by hand, "even if just a little", and it really makes a difference.
    I think that perhaps Glock is so successful because of the uniformity of their guns, it's rare that you will get a bad one. That came with time. In 10 years if they are still making the Shield, I bet they will be more uniform and better all around.
    One thing I won't do is spent 200 dollars on a 400 dollar gun, to bring it up to snuff, unless it's my carry gun. Or on sights, which is another deal breaker on some guns. Once you start with a laser and trigger kit and night sights, grips, lights, you have spent as much as perhaps a better quality gun, or one that came with those options.
    Most people trade in and out of these polymer guns every time something new comes out, only to find the same or similar problems on the new one.
    The manufacturers are all copying each other trying to get that sweet spot in the market 4-5 hundred dollars, and not having to touch them with human hands.
     
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    I don't disagree with the above, although I think your price points are a bit low...they would have been fine a couple of years ago...but it does depend on what you are using it for

    I did spend about $400 for my M&P9 ($419 before tax and fees). I added the Apex Tactical FSS ($140 from Amazon), a 10-8 rear sight ($50) and Dawson Precision front Fiber Optic sight ($50). So I am about $700 into my IDPA gun

    I don't think $700 would have bought me a comparable gun for what I use it for
     
  13. gym

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    Take a look at these prices and tell me what you think. He seems to have some of the best prices and hardest guns to get.
    I especially like the M&P pro series with the mount for the optics. The price is right. I was looking at 1911's of which there is a great choice, but got sidetracked onto the Pro Core series .http://store.publicgunandpawn.com/smith-wesson/catalog.php?category=6
     
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    Those are pretty good. I can just barely beat the price on a FS at $459 vs. $475.

    A 5" M&P w/Apex Tactical FSS will give most 1911s a run for the money and will beat any 1911 costing under $1k...as a combat or Action Pistol gun. Add a new Bar-Sto barrel and some internal polishing and you could stretch it to $2500
     
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    Do your think the Apex unit is superior to the upgraded system in the Pro core series? or the Pro series? Or does it still need replacing, now I am seriously thinking of picking up another M&P as a target/ home defense pistol with better than average accuracy?
     
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    I had occasion to shoot a box stock M&P9 FS, an Apex Tactical equipped M&P9 FS, a Apex Tactical M&P9L and a M&P9 from the Performance Center. This was a couple of years ago (maybe 3), but while the trigger of the FS, Compact, and Shield have upgraded parts, the Pro action parts haven't been upgraded...the upgrade involved Pro parts coming down the production line. I don't know if they have added the new slide lock to the Pro models for the more discreet reset

    Both of the Apex Tactical equipped M&Ps felt better than the Pro model. While all 3 were an improvement over the stock model in smoothness of trigger press, the let off was cleaner on the Apex Tactical than the Pro model. Also, this was their D/C AEK, not their FSS...or even one equipped with the AEK polymer trigger.

    I remember the 9L models going for more than the Pro models, on the retail market, due to higher demand, so I would suspect that it was cutting into Pro sales...which would explain why the 9L is no longer available
     
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    I don't have a shield (yet) but I do have an M&P .40. I put in the Apex D/C AEK and what a huge differencit did make. The trigger pull the OP described is exactly what I was experiencing before I made the parts change. However, I did not change the trigger spring therefore the trigger pull is a little heavier than the with the replacement spring.
     
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  18. gym

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    Thanks 9, I may pick up that Pro and see if it needs the Apex or not. I like the core series as having an Optic like that on a pistol is not something I have owned yet. It may be fun and also may allow me to shoot without the need for glasses.
    Then I have to decide which sighting system to get. I hear the Trigicons are good. The RMR series?
     
  19. 9mmepiphany

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    The replacement spring in the D/C AEK is designed to increase the trigger pull over the installation of the parts with the factory springs.

    Just the parts usually reduces the trigger pulled to 4.5lbs, installing the Apex Tactical spring moves it back up to 5.5lbs
     
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