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Shipping a gun. Should USPS/UPS know its a gun?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Lightsped, Mar 26, 2007.

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  1. Lightsped

    Lightsped Member

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    I may have to send a pistol back to a manufacturer for a repair. Should I tell the USPS/UPS people that it is a gun I am sending or not?
     
  2. PPGMD

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    Unless you are an FFL yourself the only way to ship a handgun is via Fedex next day air.
     
  3. RNB65

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    This question comes up often and it's confusing. Apparently, you're not required by federal law to notify them if you're shipping to an FFL by common carrier. However, UPS/FEDEX's own regulations require that you notify them and ship handguns by next-day air.

    You can always ship by ground or 2nd-day and get insurance for "machine parts." That way, if the box disappears in transit, you can file an insurance claim for the missing machine parts.

    It's your choice. Pay the next-day rate or ship it as machine parts.
     
  4. sansone

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    I ship handguns USPS priority w/delivery confirmation. I do not tell anyone there is a gun inside // yes probably a taurus:)
     
  5. orionengnr

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    Please do a search and make sure you have the right answers (read the actual BATFE statutes) before shipping.
    This has been covered many times, and some of the "advice" is worth exactly what you pay for it. Some of it may help you end up in Club Fed. :uhoh:
     
  6. mpmarty

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    Why Taurus? I've got two of them but the last two that went back for warranty work were Smith and Springfield pistols.
     
  7. 30 cal slob

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    I agree completely. But part of the confusion is that what the BATFE says on their website concerning shipping firearms by common carrier differs from what the law says as defined in US Code Title 18/Sec 922. It's no secret that the BATFE likes to make their own laws independently of the Congress and this is an excellent example.
     
  9. CDignition

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    I have shipped alot of handguns VIA UPS no trouble..I don't know where that info comes from above???... Rifles VIA US Postal service(I shipped an AR10 to Alaska from Florida Overnite for 70 bux, insured for $2000 bucks..).
     
  10. cbsbyte

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    For the thousandth time.

    Non FFLs can not send pistols through USPS. If you do it is a Federal crime. You will have to send via UPS or Fedex Overnight.
     
  11. Professor K

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    You could always declare it "sporting goods."
     
  12. Trebor

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    Do that and your insurance claim will be denied. As part of the contract you agreed to abide by their rules for shipping. If their rules require next day air, and you mis-identified the contents to get around that rule, you violated the contract with the shipper and they will NOT pay your insurance claim.

    Any potential legal issues aside, that's as good a reason as any to just "play it straight" with them.
     
  13. RNB65

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    If the package has disappeared, how will they know? Where I come from, guns are considered sporting goods.
     
  14. Soybomb

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    Remember its not legal for non-ffl's to send handguns by usps.

    Of course if my gun is missing its hard to prove that my missing gun was really a gun and not machine parts.
     
  15. Lone_Gunman

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    No it really is not to hard to prove, because you will probably end up admitting it.

    Lets say that you send a gun to Smith and Wesson. You send it as "machine parts". It goes missing and never makes it to S&W. You file a claim for the insurance. UPS decides they think it was a gun you shipped, since it was in the usual sized package for a handgun, and was going to S&W. So they deny your claim because you didnt follow company requirements for shipping.

    Now, you can get a lawyer and sue UPS. Of course, that will cost you more than the gun was worth in the first place. If you sue, you will also have to go on legal record saying this was machine parts. You just committed insurance fraud when you did that, and are also guilty of perjury. Both are felonies. Not to mention, of course, that you lost any personal honor you had.

    Is all that really worth saving $20 on shipping?
     
  16. Desperado

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    When I had to send mine back for warranty repair, they said I had to go to a dealer to do it. USPS said it was illegal for them to send it, but the deale said they could, they just dont want to.
     
  17. carnaby

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    I usually go to my FFL and have him send it. He charges me shipping cost (approx $25) + $10 for himself. Otherwise it's UPS or FedEx at $70+ :barf:
     
  18. Zundfolge

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    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b8

    UPS and FedEx have policies that require handguns to go via next day air (to reduce the chance of theft by their employees) but these are not federal laws.

    NEVER try to ship a handgun via US Postal Service unless you like prison rape (same thing goes for pulling the old "machined parts" line).

    Firearms shipped across state lines MUST be shipped to an FFL with a couple of exceptions;
    Its okay for the factory or service center to ship a firearm back to your door if you shipped it to them for service.
    The CMP will ship firearms to your door.

    Except for sending a firearm to the factory or for service you MUST have a signed copy of the recipient's FFL to ship.

    Some states require you to ship FROM an FFL (this is something you need to verify on both your end and the receiver's end).



    Federal firearms laws are NOT to be trifled with ... these people (BATFE) will stomp your kittens, shoot your wife/kid/dog and burn your house down if you screw with them (or at least send you away to a place where you don't wanna go to become someone's "girlfriend").
     
  19. 10 Ring Tao

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    Shipping a handgun through the USPS without an FFL isn't up for debate, its actually illegal and not just a policy of some corporation.

    If the address you're sending it to is an obvious and known firearms manufacturer, you might as well play it straight.

    And this is what the ATF has to say about it...

    [​IMG]
     
  20. 03Shadowbob

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    Why do you bet it is a Taurus? And why do you only show Don Hume holsters on your website? What are your thoughts on Don Hume holsters?
     
  21. Yoder

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    I work for a shipping company, we have to assume all packages that are sealed prior to shipping are sealed within the laws of the country/state they are being shipped to/from/and accross. If an employee packs the package for you they have to ensure they pack in in accordance with the same rules. With no cartridges, and a clean gun, it should be no issue to send it priorty overnight, standard overnight, or certainly not a problem to ship it ground. I would recommend letting them pack it as proper packaging means not being damaged. And ensureing that the shipping company in question is responsible for the package. Packages destroyed do to contents are not the responsibility of the shipping company. That is a phrase that makes the profit margin.

    But most gun manufacturers will have a favorite shipper and in my limited experience even send you an empty box to ship back to them.
     
  22. MudCamper

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    On a related question, what if you send all the parts for an AR-15 minus the lower receiver. Legally only the lower is the firearm. So what do you call the stuff you are sending, and are there any legal hangups?
     
  23. Neo-Luddite

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    Remember:

    When you ship anything via FedEx you are giving them permission to have a look in your box if they need to (fine print on the shipping form spells this out). They don't have to tell you or even give you ANY explanation. From my experience no one really has the time to sneak a peak for no reason and Fedex (like UPS) is a pretty straight-laced company in most ways. However--if the box is opened and contains a firearm that was not declared there will be a very big delay and your firearm may end up with a govenment agency if it was not declared at time of shipping.

    You SHOULD tell them what's in the box so that they know and can ensure it gets secured properly. Easiest thing to avoid hastle--call the ship center ahead of time and ask the manager who can best handle the weapon when you bring it in. Also, don't count on a Fedex Ship Center or Fedex-Kinko's wrapping the thing up for you---they are probably not permitted to do so as part of their packing services (although I'm sure some do anyway).
     
  24. PPGMD

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    Incorrect Fedex only allows firearms of all types to be sent via Priority Overnight.

    Here is a sight with a nice summary of firearms shipping rules, it turns out that I am wrong UPS will accept pistols, but also only via next day air.

    http://www.thegunzone.com/ship-guns.html
     
  25. 10 Ring Tao

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    If you read the entire thread, thats one of the points, is the question whether the shipping company should be told. Legally, they don't have to be. Any rule saying they need to be told is a company policy, not law.
     
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