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Shipping Ammo?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Guyon, Oct 24, 2003.

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  1. Guyon

    Guyon Member

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    Somebody give me the low down. I'm only talking about shipping 5 boxes of 9x18 ammo here.

    UPS or FEDEX? Any special forms or declarations required? Any extra cost?
     
  2. DMK

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    I'm not sure of FEDEX but for UPS:

    - Ammunition must be packages seperate from any firearms

    - It must be in a sturdy box. I usually reinforce the box by wrapping filliment tape around it in both directions and that satisfies them that it isn't going to break open.

    - Must be sent via ground services (ie. no Second Day Air)

    - Must be labeled ORM-D.

    I usually cut off and save the stickers when I recieve ammo then tape these on. However, you may write ORM-D in block letters right on the package, then draw a rectangle around it. I have recieved many boxes of ammo where this was stamped also. It might not be a bad idea to write "Cartridges, Small Arms" under that.

    I know UPS has a reference for this on their website, let me see if I can find it.


    EDITED to change "Ammunition Small Arms" to "Cartridges, Small Arms".
     
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  3. Graystar

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    And don't forget to check state laws. Might have some, you might not. A few ammo dealers got in trouble with Mass for shipping ammo there.
     
  4. EOD Guy

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    Here are the Department of Transportation regulations for shipping small arms ammunition:

    Code of Federal Regulations, Title 49, Part 173

    173.63 Packaging exceptions

    (b) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices. (1) Cartridges, small arms and cartridges power devices (which are used to project fastening devices) which have been classed as a Division 1.4S explosive may be reclassed, offered for transportation, and transported as ORM-D material when packaged in accordance with paragraph (b)(2) of this section; such transportation is excepted from the requirements of subparts E (Labeling) and F (Placarding) of part 172 of this subchapter. Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices that may be shipped as ORM-D material is limited to:

    (i) Ammunition for rifle, pistol, or shotgun;
    (ii) Ammunition with inert projectiles or blank ammunition;
    (iii) Ammunition having no tear gas, incendiary, or detonating explosive projectiles;
    (iv) Ammunition not exceeding 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol, cartridges or 8 gauge for shotshells; and
    (v) Cartridges power devices which are use to project fastening devices.

    (2) Packaging for cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices as ORM-D material must be as follows:
    (i) Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, or in partitions which fit snugly in the outside packaging, or in metal clips;
    (ii) Primers must be protected from accidental initiation;
    (iii) Inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packed in securely-closed strong outside packagings;
    (iv) Maximum gross weight is limited to 30 Kg (66 pounds) per package; and
    (v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices and 22 caliber rim-fire cartridges may be packaged loose in strong outside packagings.

    Part 172 (Marking)

    172.316 Packagings containing material classed as ORM-D

    (a) Each non-bulk packaging containing a material classed as ORM-D must be marked on at least one side or end with the ORM-D designation immediately following or below the proper shipping name of the material (Cartridges, Small Arms). The ORM designation must be placed within a rectangle that is approximately 6.3 mm (0.25 inches) larger on each side that the designation.

    (b) The marking ORM-D is the certification by the person offering the packaging for transportation that the material is properly described, classed, packaged, marked and labeled (when appropriate) and in proper condition for transportation according to the applicable regulations of this subchapter.
     
  5. Guyon

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    Many thanks fellas.
     
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    I had to go to a main UPS shipping center and STILL had to have them call their central hazmat office before they's let me ship 70 lbs of assorted cartridges in original boxes, all stuffed into ammo cans. They STILL would not take a 2 lb bottle of powder in its original plastic jar.
     
  7. DMK

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    Thanks EOD Guy, I tried finding that info this morning and couldn't dig it up.
     
  8. EOD Guy

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    That's because the powder was classed as a Division 41. flammable solid and, according to DOT regulations, you have to have a hazardous materials shipping paper. In order to sign a HAZMAT shipping paper, you have to trained and certified in accordance with 49CFR. Also, UPS should not have accepted the small arms ammo since it exceeded the maximum weight allowed for ORM-D (66 pounds).
     
  9. prisoner6

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    What about shipping spent casings. Say if I had brass I was shipping to a friend that he was going to reload.
     
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    Spent casings are just scrap brass and totally unregulated as I recall unless there are some weird laws I'm not aware of (which is quite possible, lots of stupid laws out there).
     
  11. DMK

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    Here is an email that I recieved from UPS Customer Service

    The section pertaining to ammunition is in bold type.

    Contact the Hazardous Material Support Center at 1-800-554-9964 for details. When I called, they were very helpful and courtious.

     
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    Hazmat requirement

    I was going to ship some ammo and I found the above information very helpful, but it needed to be updated. For one, you can not ship any ammo legally unless you are trained through an authorized HAZMAT training course.

    The woman I spoke to suggested I have a dealer ship the ammo to the 2nd party. She said the FFL dealers should have this HAZMAT training and might be willing to ship my ammo for me.
     
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    I've got the paper from Fedex stating to label the box with

    "Cartridges, Small Arms" and to write "ORM-D" and put a square around it.

    This came from a man named Harold Brookes in the Fedex Hazardous shipping department(I guess that's what it's called)

    He said that was all that was needed to ship live ammo, they will also ship long guns as long as it's going to an FFL.
     
  14. EOD Guy

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    Two things wrong here. First, DOT regulations require training for "HAZMAT employees" but there are no standards in the regulation other than general awareness and function specific training and there is no such thing as an "authorized HAZMAT training course". It's up to the employer to determine the level of training needed by the employee.

    Most shipping locations don't press the training/certification requirement for ORM-D materials since they are exempt from most marking, labeling, packaging, and shipping papers requirements in the regulation.

    Second, I think than few, if any FFL dealers have such training, unless they trained and certified themselves, which is allowed by the regulation.
     
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    Great article with all the details on shipping ammunition

    Here is a great article on how to ship ammunition where these guys have done the research and show the best method to ship along with the Hazmat requirements. See it here on How to ship ammunition
     
  16. yooper_sjd

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    EOD guy hit it straight on the head. I use to certify for military shipments. pretty technical stuff. But to get your cert, it is an annual certification course taught by the feds, and it cost several hundred dollars per year for the certification, let alone the cost of the publication which itself is a couple hundred dollars. That is why a company you buy your powder or ammo from charges so much for the HAZMAT fee. Just alot of paperwork, but you are certifing that it is properly packaged for shipment. If there is a misshap, they would know where to go.

    p.s. the forms to filled out for shipment are in triplicate, one for your records, one for the shippers records, and goes with shipment. along with MSDS sheet, and emergency contact numbers. Plus the proper labeling for the hazard classes 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, and 1.5, Then you even got the compatibility groups for each Hazard class of explosives. a,b,c,d,e Use to be a whole lot simpler with the class A B C
     
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    shipping ammo

    I get the mechanics and such on shipping the ammo. I want to sell a bit of ammo off on gunbroker. I plan to put in a few questions I want the buyer to send me, and then get a copy of their DL. Then I have reasonably done the diligence I think on the buyer.

    The thing that worries me is some crazy local restriction or state law. How does a guy know of those? My thought was to call the buyers local sherrif's office and ask if there are restrictions on shipping the buyer the ammo. How do you guys do it?
     
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