Shocking Kansas City video
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I live in the suburbs of KC. I've seen that video before, unfortunately. I also have to go into some of the "urban" parts of town quite often due to my job. Makes me kind of reconsider what I would use as a carry gun (I have a Glock 26 w/ 147g +P's and a Kimber 1911). One of those FN Five-Sevens wouuld make quick work of that vest he's wearing though. *Scratches chin*
This has got to be one of the more unintelligent comments I've seen on THR lately. For those of you not familiar w/ the KC area, Arthur Bryant's is kind of a KC landmark. It is a very good BBQ place that has had a lot of celebrities/presidents through it throughout the years, AND IT IS ABOUT 5 BLOCKS FROM WHERE THAT VIDEO WAS SHOT!!!
Its kind of one those spots thats in the middle of a rough area, but is frequented by so many different types of people that it doesn't have any problems that often. BUT, on the other hand, you do have gangs and ignorant people just like the ones in that video surrounding the area in every direction.
I'm not telling you to fear for yourself, but I don't think you should be comparing your little field trip to the hood to an african safari.
I've been around people like that, in those exact same areas and worse surrounding areas, as a matter of fact. I spent a good two years of my life surrounded by people like that before I managed to get myself away from it. I seen people get robbed at gunpoint, and I've seen 15 year-kids riding around w/ ak-47s in cars a crackhead let them borrow for the day in return for a few pieces of dope. I'm lucky I wasn't killed before then w/ as much shi*t as I've been around.
The problem w/ people like this is not that they have guns. I'm pretty sure that everybody here (THR) has a gun or two... The problem is that they have nothing to lose and life is so cheap. And if you have nothing, anything is something. People getting shot is just accepted as matter of fact. 'Oh yeah, we bout to go see _______. He got shot last night...' casual as hell. O yeah, and don't forget, somebody's got to get even, so there goes another gunfight somewhere right down the street from your favorite restaurant.
The other problem is the scenario if a situation were to arise. You and me have certain obligations being a legal gun owner, namely that you are held accountable for what happens w/ your gun. So if something happens with your gun, it comes back to you and you have to answer to it. Theirs, on the other hand, gets tossed in the river and that is the end of their worries (unless of course it was on a rival gang and they have to worry about retaliation). So imagine this scenario. Your on your way to eat and all of a sudden you have 15-year old kid shooting a stolen AK out of a stolen car at you maybe just b/c he wanted to prove to somebody else how big his nuts are. And even if somehow it were to get traced back to them, what do they care? Its not like they're out getting home loans or credit cards. Most of them don't even have state id's. And even if they do get caught, what do they care? Thats a right of passage.
Still enjoying your safari?
larry starling
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People like that are the reasons ammo manufactures make 10mm and other large bore ammo.....
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Anonymous Coward
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Hell, I grew up in Kansas City in the 80s and 90s.
I remember was that Troost and Prospect were considered "dangerous," but I drove through there all the time, at all hours. I used to go hang out down by the river at night. No trouble, ever.
I did live in a two-story building off 39th and Warwick with a couple of Art Institute students, and the guy downstairs shot a burglar with a .357 magnum. Guy left a blood trail, but escaped.
As far as the video goes: I dunno, I didn't see any examples of skilled gun handling. Just a lot of drunk guys running their mouths.
I agree; I just don't see any further way to prevent them from getting guns that wouldn't change the right of gun ownership into a permission allowed by (and deniable by) the government.
I doubt any of those thugs could pass a Brady Bill background check, yet there they were, with guns.
I remember was that Troost and Prospect were considered "dangerous," but I drove through there all the time, at all hours. I used to go hang out down by the river at night. No trouble, ever.
I did live in a two-story building off 39th and Warwick with a couple of Art Institute students, and the guy downstairs shot a burglar with a .357 magnum. Guy left a blood trail, but escaped.
As far as the video goes: I dunno, I didn't see any examples of skilled gun handling. Just a lot of drunk guys running their mouths.
ndolson said:
I agree; I just don't see any further way to prevent them from getting guns that wouldn't change the right of gun ownership into a permission allowed by (and deniable by) the government.
I doubt any of those thugs could pass a Brady Bill background check, yet there they were, with guns.
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simmonsguns
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Yes i'm still enjoying my safari.
I throught i should add a bit more, hunting is what i did with these guys.
We called it a safari because of the dangerous game principal of confronting groups of gangbangers or wana-be gangbangers that were given to us on tips or information from trustworthy informants.
all the information was checked on a data base of known or suspected gang members.(if anybody needs this data base i can help you out with it.).
At that point we would catch, photograph, document any tat's or other unique markings, run all of them for wants or warrents and than release if cleared of any wants or warrents.
I don't do this any more, i got to old and damaged.
I throught i should add a bit more, hunting is what i did with these guys.
We called it a safari because of the dangerous game principal of confronting groups of gangbangers or wana-be gangbangers that were given to us on tips or information from trustworthy informants.
all the information was checked on a data base of known or suspected gang members.(if anybody needs this data base i can help you out with it.).
At that point we would catch, photograph, document any tat's or other unique markings, run all of them for wants or warrents and than release if cleared of any wants or warrents.
I don't do this any more, i got to old and damaged.
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Stevie-Ray
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Or a PLR-16 around your neck.
silverlance
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Oh, please.
I sat through the whole thing waiting for the "shocking" part of the video. Didn't see NOTHING but a bunch of broke-*** guys posturing, trying to make their ***** lives seem like a "lifestyle".
It's no lifestyle. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the "lifestyle" sucks. But then you get this guy with a camera who shows up on their doorstep, looking to film some "real gangsters" in the "urban jungle". So everybody gets out their best clothes, their little baggies of dope, and poses for the camera. Even the old crackhead who is barely coherent gets to brag about how he used to "rob banks". Bull. He robbed liquor stores, run by Koreans or black folk who are willing to work their **** off for a meager living so that perhaps their kids can do better.
The entire video is a troll; bait, line, and sinker. What gets the filmer off is seeing posts like the ones you see there on youtube about how "the solution is to rid the genetic pool of their toxic influence", as the intelligensia outdoes the thugs in terms of closed mind thinking. Or, the folks who grin, wink, and hint expansively at the grenade launchers tucked away in their pants.
Guns are good and all that - but you really want to fight crime? Go to your local high school and volunteer two days a month. Then come back here and see how your fears, opinions, and attitudes have changed.
I sat through the whole thing waiting for the "shocking" part of the video. Didn't see NOTHING but a bunch of broke-*** guys posturing, trying to make their ***** lives seem like a "lifestyle".
It's no lifestyle. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the "lifestyle" sucks. But then you get this guy with a camera who shows up on their doorstep, looking to film some "real gangsters" in the "urban jungle". So everybody gets out their best clothes, their little baggies of dope, and poses for the camera. Even the old crackhead who is barely coherent gets to brag about how he used to "rob banks". Bull. He robbed liquor stores, run by Koreans or black folk who are willing to work their **** off for a meager living so that perhaps their kids can do better.
The entire video is a troll; bait, line, and sinker. What gets the filmer off is seeing posts like the ones you see there on youtube about how "the solution is to rid the genetic pool of their toxic influence", as the intelligensia outdoes the thugs in terms of closed mind thinking. Or, the folks who grin, wink, and hint expansively at the grenade launchers tucked away in their pants.
Guns are good and all that - but you really want to fight crime? Go to your local high school and volunteer two days a month. Then come back here and see how your fears, opinions, and attitudes have changed.
32winspl
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I watched that Freakonomics video linked in the in the original posting. When I got it I saw that it is 22 minutes long, and I almost decided not to start it, but I figured "heck, it's hours before the game starts.". I'm glad I did. It was both informative, and often funny as hell. I was disapointed at the end of the clip, knowing that there was much more after that point that I'm not going to see... but I guess it worked in that I'll just have to go and buy the book. Thanks for posting
wuchak
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If you want to start a good argument in KC ask a group which place has the best bbq. I'll take my stand and say that Arthur Bryant's is the best (Bates City in Shawee has the best fries though and comes in tied for 2nd with about 4 other places)! Their sauce is out of this world. The original location is like a Holy place to bbq lovers everywhere but I would not go there after dark. The fact that they have someone continuously monitoring the parking lot to make sure cars don't get broken into (you didn't think it was coincidence that someone was always on a smoke break when you were there did you?) should tell you something about the neighborhood, and the nice folks who run the place. The food is always great and service is always friendly. They just happen to be in a bad location. The sterilized AB location at Village West just doesn't measure up. Part of the magic of AB's is the ambiance. Be sure to give the lot monitor a buck on your way out. We always stop on the way to see the Royals and I find that seeing them lose isn't as bad with some AB's in my stomach. On game days it's so busy that you don't have to worry too much.
Regarding that store in Shawnee. It took me a while to warm up to it and the staff but now I stop there regularly. The people behind the counters are definitely not warm and bubbly but that are friendly and knowledgeable and usually very busy. I have purchased four guns there total, three in the last three months, and feel that I got a very fair deal on all of them. All were used guns and cash purchases. New guns are all marked at MSRP and you have to haggle from there. Not everyone is comfortable with this pricing model. The range is nice but it's inside and I like to shoot outside.
Regarding that store in Shawnee. It took me a while to warm up to it and the staff but now I stop there regularly. The people behind the counters are definitely not warm and bubbly but that are friendly and knowledgeable and usually very busy. I have purchased four guns there total, three in the last three months, and feel that I got a very fair deal on all of them. All were used guns and cash purchases. New guns are all marked at MSRP and you have to haggle from there. Not everyone is comfortable with this pricing model. The range is nice but it's inside and I like to shoot outside.
IronSightRot671
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Glad that kind of scum isn't around here. there get a good @ss beating here thats for sure.
moga
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Samuel Adams said:
1911 guy said:
bones11b said:
Can anyone point me to a reputable source of information for learning more about the alleged link between drug/gang members in the US and military/police training? I’ve heard of Central Americans coming to US with paramilitary training in the 80s but that’s about it. The idea that today’s street punks have formal training, if credible, would personally necessitate a whole new method of assessing everyday opportunistic threats.
1911 guy
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Reputable source?
moga, re-read the post I made. That "alleged link" came from the FBI annual report on officer involved shootings.
moga, re-read the post I made. That "alleged link" came from the FBI annual report on officer involved shootings.
crazed_ss
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Meh.. that video was supposed to be "shocking"? Weak..
I found this one to be more disturbing.. Once again.. Warning for rap music, language, and general ignorance.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-HrucqUaaZE
How bad must it be there in Florida where people can fire off guns in the air in the middle of an urban area without any fear of punishment.
I found this one to be more disturbing.. Once again.. Warning for rap music, language, and general ignorance.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-HrucqUaaZE
How bad must it be there in Florida where people can fire off guns in the air in the middle of an urban area without any fear of punishment.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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I frequent KC and Topeka quite a bit and have never felt unsafe anywhere I've went---of course , I don't seek out the dregs of society either.
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