"Shockwave" style guns = love or hate?

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  1. DukeConnor

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    I just like talking my friends into shooting it with heavy loads.

    I actually put a brace on one of mine. it becomes more usable.
     
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    This is THR...ain't no "ordinary folks" here! :)
     
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  3. GEM

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    Not to disparage but how many folks truly take a Shockwave or regular shotgun and train and/or compete with it. Run a 3 Gun or IDPA style match with a shotgun (if it's a club match and they let you) and see which works better.
     
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    Everyone should train with their shotgun especially if used for HD/SD. But we all know a lot of people will just load it up and set it in a corner. Myself, I practice as much as possible with all my firearms. But then again, I had it drilled into my head while in the Army to train all of the time too. I always suggest to people that they train on a regular basis no matter what type of firearms they use.
     
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    Love my Shockwave. Love my 20” Maverick Security too. My Shockwave is loaded with Federal #4 buck shorty shells and is my indoor home defense “big gun”. My Maverick is loaded with 2 3/4” Federal 00-buck and TruBall slugs in the sidesaddle and is my outdoor defensive “big gun”. My Shockwave has a Lasersaddle to aid in hip-shooting accuracy, though with the shorty shells I’m comfortable with an eye-level push-pull and am not worried about losing teeth.
     
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    When using teh push/pull method correctly, one should not worry about hitting their face with the grip.
     
  7. GEM

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    Not to be too argumentative, but a complex holding tactic is fine for the range where you can get set. Without the large number of reps, I wonder if that will happen in a critical incident, if you raise the gun. Or you eat it. My concern comes from watching folks screw up the stroke on pump guns under pressure. With a normal stock the placement is more intuitive. If you need to reload, you reload and shoulder the stock. How will your motor memory be for pull, push when you start to deploy the gun again.

    Just saying, if you have gun - good for you. It's not an optimal shotgun choice.
     
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  8. Styx

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    Do you own one and how many rounds have you put through one?

    As far as it being an optimal shotgun choice, it will be a more optimal choice over a shotgun in certain situations. They really aren't meant for long distance shooting, hunting, being in a long drawn out gun fight against multiple people where you'd have to reload several times, so on and so forth. They are ment to be used in up close and personal life or death self defense situations where the imminate threat is so close that if you're stopping to reload the Shockwave or even a shotgun, you've already lost the battle.

    They are useful and better than a shotgun in cases where space maybe tight and/or concealment is needed. In situations where a shotgun will be two long to both conceal and to cumbersome to deploy and use. I carry mine in a small duffle bag in my car. I can carry it carry it to and from my verhicle and even around town without anyone knowing I'm carrying a shotgun. I can tuck it under my car seat, or comfortablely keep it laying right beside me in my car. I can shoot from inside my verhicle or other confined spaces. I can access it much faster vs a fullsized shotgun.

    They offer great firepower in situations where a full sized shotgun would not be practical to carry or deploy. They have their place and, even though you and others might dismiss all the evidence that is contrary to their preconceived opinions, they can be fired quickly and accurately with self defense loads.
     
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    I bought that shockwave grip to try out on my 18" 870 12ga and it's definitely short but shooting it is rather awkward, I just put the Hogue shorty stock back on.
     
  10. Kevin Keith

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    It seems to me that if a manufacturer puts out a product that has never been available in my lifetime, and it is something I’d like to have, I’m gonna get it regardless of what anybody else thinks of it.

    I was not born before 1934 so I have never had this type of weapon available. I’m happy it’s here. I’m happy people buy them. I’m happy we don’t have to ask uncle Sam pretty please to own one. I’m happy people can defend themselves with it.

    Shoot what do you like and like what you shoot!
     
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    And I have seen the same thing happen to people with pistols and rifles too. Stress will mess with you. That is why one must practice regularly until things become second nature.

    With that said, no the Shockwave is NOT for everyone. If it doesn't suit you then don't buy or shoot one. For me it is very practical and I have no issues with using it even under stress. I do take the time to run drills and practice with all of my HD/SD firearms. Practice and training makes the difference. Practice until things become second nature.
     
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  12. Styx

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    It's the same go to argument and baseless blanketed assertion. Semiauto guys make that same "fine motor skills" and "under pressure" assertion of revolver carriers NOT going to be able to reload a revolver under stress. The revolver guys will make the same assertion about the semiauto pistol with regaurds to clearing semiauto specific malfunctions under stress. The higher standard capacity crowd makes the same assertion that you're not going to be able to reload or drop the slide under stress, so that's why you should not carry a single stack or a revolver. The 30 rounder AR and AK people often assert that shotguns are inadequate for self defense purposes because your NOT going to be able to reload under stress and fine motor skills WILL go out the window under stress. Not to be left out, the anti thumb safety guys and gals will make the same finite assertion about being able to flip off a thumb safety under stress....

    It's nothing I haven't seen before. It's the same go too tried and true argument. Listening to them all, apparently I'm probably better off using a club while in a stressful self defense situation???
     
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    I use all the types of firearms you listed and I do train with all of them. It doesn't matter what type of firearm you use, training is key. And the more you train the better. I was always taught to train until it becomes second nature. And even though I am not in uniform anymore, I still keep up on my training.
     
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    Boy does this topic scream Old Fart. Now I say that in the most affectionate way. I my self am creeping up on the age of old fartness, but I plan to fight it off as long as possible.;) I hate to think of the day when I start to hate a lot of stuff just because it’s new or different.
    I bought a Remington TAC-14 from PSA about 2 1/2 years ago.
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    I really like the gun. It sits next to my nightstand in my bedroom, loaded with 2 3/4” 00 low recoil shells.
    I’ve shot the mini shells, buckshot, slugs and birdshot. I’ve also shot full power buckshot and will have to say that those were not all that fun.:(
    I took my grandson shooting and he loved shooting it. He could also hit the target, and at 13 yo, he’s not a big kid.
    Here’s a link to the post I made when I first got it.
    https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/remington-tac-14.841047/
     
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    I have often thought the shockwave is the perfect candidate for a laser if their ever was one.
    That said, my primary thinking is defense against poisonous snakes as that is the main reason I bought one.
     
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    So if the NFA disappeared how many would still seek out and use one of these Shockwave/Tac-14 configured shotguns?

    I suspect if the NFA went away so would Shockwaves, and binary triggers, pistol braces and any desire to bring back bump stocks.
     
  17. GEM

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    That is a good point. It is also to the point that the easily seen work arounds will be attacked with regulations as seen with the Bump stock action taken by he who cannot be named.

    I would like a SBR AR and a Glock 18 - the latter just because. Waiting for the Gods of Scotus - I'll be dead first or too geezerly to enjoyed such.
     
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    I’m sure their were people in 2003 saying if the AWB ends demand for AR’s and AK’s will dry up.
    Personally I’d buy a bump stock tomorrow if they were legal, as silly as they were I never once saw a person shoot one and not smile.

    And if I could put a stock on a shockwave I’d have 2, not 1.
     
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    I think the Shockwave is pretty cool. I was tempted to buy one, but knew it would be useless unless I was willing to put in the time to practice. And I’m not. So, no Shockwave.
     
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    If the NFA disappeared, I would leave my Shockwave alone if I could conceal it without making an AOW. I would probably buy another one and put a stock on it if SBS went away.
     
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    I'm not interested in riding the legal felony line but if the NFA went away today, I'd get a SBR tomorrow. Definitely more than 1 as finances allowed.

    The other items mentioned I'm not really interested in.
     
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    I have a Center Mass laser on mine, the one that shows a pattern that increases as distance increases.
    Image from the interweb: https://www.rem870.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/laserlyte_center_mass_laser_pattern2.jpg
     
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    That's lawyer crap. I have a 20 ga. I can point it at eye level and aim it, and shoot it it no problem
     
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    That's probably only half true. With that said, right now the NFA exist. No one is stating that the bird grip is better than a stock; however, within the current confines of the law, it's better than having a full sized shotgun in many instances.

    I'd probably have one of each. If I could fit a SBS in a duffle or bookbag as well as use it in the same roll as a SBS, then yes, I'd opt for the SBS. That is not the case though.

    I and many others have a pistol grip on their 18" shotguns which can legally have a stock on them, so I think you are wrong about the bird grip shotguns disappearing if the NFA went away. I do agree that braces, binary triggers, and bumpstocks wouldn't exist though.
     
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    Assuming the NFA was gone I could have a stock on a shotgun that would fold up shorter than a current Shockwave or Tac-14. It would be more concealable, more controllable, and only slightly slower to deploy.
     
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