Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by scaatylobo, Jun 20, 2021.
I say we don't allow that to happen.
I'm not a "pro". I do advocate though protecting one's family with the handiest and meanest option available. A Tac13 fills that bill hands down. A guy could spend an afternoon showing the bad guys who's boss with this type weaponry.
Yup. Like pistol manuals that tell you to carry with an empty chamber.
???? They were invented by pros, for pros; Police Armorers, for stakeout guns, then FBI Armorers for guards in the Witness protection program. The only thing the Shockwave-type 'firearms' add is the nomenclature 'firearm' as defined by the ATF, and a couple inches of barrel to make 26" OAL. They were also used for breaching, as in 12Bravo20's experience with them.
I believe Clint Smith is a fan of these and has a few videos in how to use them best
We used similar weapons all the time when I was in the Army. They are quite handy for breeching doors and are short enough to sling and keep out of the way until needed. Plus several federal agencies use them too for things such as witness protection along with security details for elected officials.
And I find my Shockwave very handy to use around the house or in a vehicle. They do have a purpose and work well when used as intended.
And if you like,change the name "Witness protection" to "Bedroom / hallway protection", or Armored truck,or prison,or jail,or --- hope you get it now.
See if that dont make a difference.
That's the thing......it's not a compromise because it's exactly what it's meant to be.
It's not really a shotgun, a pistol or anything else. It's just....a shockwave. Comparing it to something else isn't exactly apples to apples.
I thought they were ridiculous before I got one but once I owned it I saw how useful it was.
Not to mention.....they are fun as hell
THANK YOU !.
And might I add to your perfect comments.
If you like or have a use for the Shockwave,wait till you shoot the semi auto version.
MUCH easier to shoot & aim with far less felt recoil than the pump versions.
Fired 25 rounds and only stopped as it was a hot muggy day in the sun !!.
Slugs,buckshot,hot birdshot [ #2' ].
I would have had a few pics taken,but was at range solo,maybe next time.
I tend to listen to scaatylobo here. So, I will not dismiss one out of hand. The semi-auto sounds intriguing.
i don't think it's for me. If I need more reach for defense than I would have with pistol, will be from indoors. I would not have to dispense with shoulder stock.
There's are two things that dissuade me.
One is that I like to have my firearm on my person when I am at home.
The other is the appearance. I would not want to have a Shockwave waved around as evidence at trial. Glenn E. Meyer's Will it Hurt Me in Court will explain that.
AGREED, would not want the weapon displayed in ANY court.
Mainly due to the fact that sheeple [ the average juror that cannot get out of that duty ] are not gun people or shooters.
I see this as a tool for specific locations and use.
The hallway [ deadly funnel ] in most houses is THE place for it.
As can be a motor home that will be in places not patrolled by police.
And thank you for the kind words,as I age I tend to REALLY try and think about what I would really do ---- AND how that can be perceived .
I believe the concept started with the US Marshal Service Witness Protection Program which sounds official if not professional. Those WPP guns were made from shotguns originally made and sold as long guns and were NFA shortened shotguns SBS. The shockwave guns are made as "firearms", as short shotguns (not shortened longgun shotguns).
I believe the difference is the shockwaves are sold subject to state and federal laws governing sale of handguns and are not an attempt to evade handgun restrictions by "sawing off" a less restricted long gun.
Don't try to make your own shockwave from a shotgun originally made and sold as a long gun. Once sold as a long gun, all NFA rules apply to shortening it.
Real photo from as far back as 1985. From what I just read, the WPP SBS barrels were even shorter than the Shockwave barrel at 12.5" vs the Shockwave's 14.5".
Learn something new everyday...
Ive seen that semi auto before, it's interesting.
One of the reasons I got mine is to use mini shells in it for the wife to use as well and I assume the Fear doesn't cycle the minis
There are a lot of guns out on the market that I have no use for, but I have shot many of them and would like to shoot more of them.
If you’re ever down my way, you can shoot my TAC-14 and I’ll even supply the shells.
What I don’t care for is when someone sees a gun that they feel has no practical use, but feel the need to let everyone know and try to convince those that don’t agree with them that such gun is useless.
Like it has been pointed out, the Shockwave and TAC-14 and other versions are really nothing new. Just a little different so that one doesn’t have to register it as an AOW.
Here’s the Super Shorty 870 AOW that has been around for some time. I shot one and can say, my TAC-14 is much more fun to shoot.
Well said. Freedom to choose is a good thing.
I find the Shockwave phenomenon kind of funny…
For quite few years, I kept my Mossberg 500 set up with an OEM pistol grip and 18” barrel. Used as a home defense gun, and did a lot of shooting at the range with it, using full power buck and slug. My friend had one too, and we would have shooting matches with them. Great fun, and got pretty good with them.
Then, Speedfeed started selling a grip just about identical to the Shockwave grip. I immediately saw the advantages over the original pistol grip, and put one on my Mossberg…it worked great, and I considered it a game changer.
Occasionally, I would get involved in forum discussions about pistol grip shotguns, which were almost always dismissive and disdainful. In one instance, I was treated to insult and ridicule in a thread for simply describing my personal experience shooting pistol gripped shotguns, and the Speedfeed Shockwave-style grip in particular…even from the “beloved” moderator of the forum.
Now, they are all the rage, and I wonder how many of those guys have Shockwaves.
MIght have to take you up on that some time LOL
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