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Shooting a horse, to test the power of your Rifle?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Usertag, May 4, 2012.

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  1. Usertag

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    I heard rumors that 100 or so years ago. That they used to count how long it took one round of a gun, to kill a horse; to test the power of the firearm/round. Is this true? If so, What was the name of the test? How long ago did they do this (exactly)? What measurement of time did they use (seconds, minutes, hours)? If your not understanding my question an example is. It took 24 seconds for my .357 Magnum to kill that horse.


    Please answer these questions, if you know them.
    - Is this true?
    - What was the name of the test?
    - How long ago did they do this (exactly)?
    - What measurement of time did they use (seconds, minutes, hours)?
     
  2. Sam1911

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    Rumors are usually wrong and comprehensive scientifically defensible data on lethality of ammunition wasn't collected until relatively recently.

    I'd ask yourself if there was a choice between hogs, sheep or goats and the much more expensive horse would you expect someone to purchase 100 horses or 100 sheep for such testing.
     
  4. thedriver101

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    I think you're referring to the "Thompson/La Garde Test" from which they settled on a .45 caliber weapon (prior to the adoption of the 1911). I can't find the exact details right now, but I believe they did shoot live animals (among other things) in the process.
     
  5. Certaindeaf

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    Back not even long ago, they'd shoot goats and sheep to doctor up.
     
  6. Certaindeaf

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    Back in "those" tests, they found that a 3" ball worked about the best. That went through the animal and it died very quickly.
     
  7. FIVETWOSEVEN

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    I'd imagine that after the first test, it would be just beating a dead horse.
     
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    Or choosing the least weevil!!!
     
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    The term "BBQ gun" came to be. And all was good and tasty.
     
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    The Samurai had "three body blades" and we have "five horsemen of the paco lips".
    Well, that's not even funny.
    Happy cinco de mayo/drinking day!
     
  11. Buck Kramer

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    Post #4 is correct, there is almost a whole chapter about those tests in "The Gun" by C.J Chivers. Kinda goes without saying, but I recommend the book.
     
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    cinco de mayo is the 5th....lol
     
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    Hello,
    I can't remember where but I seem to remember that the Tsarist Russian 1895 Nagant revolver was required to prove that it could make a one shot kill on a horse at 35". I am still looking for the article. At time of testing, pre 1900, this was easily tested by using a horse with problems or using a healthy one that was going to be butchered for dinner. Remember this was a Russian army requierment listed prior to 1895. This gun is sold as a C&R now and russian ammo is available. Condition of revolver is pretty good and ammo price is variable. Best work around I have found is using 32-20 brass resized through a special set of Lee dies. It is accurate, built like a tank and about $100. After all this time they still work well, Ivan was never a fool.

    blindhari
     
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    I was once ask to shoot a bull that had got out and become very wild .... difficult to get within 200 yds of the animal. I declined as I wasn't sure I had enough rifle to put in down, wasn't sure where to shoot it, didn't want to shoot it anyway!
     
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    I had to shoot my wife's favorite horse who had been hit by a truck, had a broken leg, was bleeding internally, and suffering badly. No vet available.
    I used a .30-30 centered on an imaginary X on the forehead drawn from each ear to the opposite eye. It worked as you would want it to.
    One of the sadder days of my life.

    Tinpig
     
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    Yes I had heard of it as well

    http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/history/background.htm


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    Actually Price Per Pound, Sheep cost the most at over 4.00 per lb.
     
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    When faced with one of these occassional unpleasantries I always puck one of my .45's and a well placed Gold Dot always does the job quickly. For a bull at 200 yds, I would undoubtedly pick my 30.06 with a good rest. 7mag or .300 mag would also be a good choice.
     
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    I have put down horses using a 357, aiming for the center of an x of the animal's ears and eyes. Works rather quickly.
     
  20. SabbathWolf

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    I've only had to shoot a dog.
    My dog.
    And it broke my heart.
    But the .45acp did it's job.
    I realize there's a huge difference between a dog and a horse however.
    But the dog weighed in at 135lbs.
    That's pretty close to human weight in some cases.
     
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    "my horse broke his leg and I had to shoot him. Now, he's got a broke leg and a bullet wound. If he don't get better quick, I'm gonna shoot him again."

    Anybody else hear Larry the Cable Guy saying the words when they read em?
    Just me?
    Ok, nevermind......
     
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    In my ramblings I've heard the SAA .45 Colt was a respected horse-downer. I'ts very little realized how in a running battle how advantageous it was to shoot your opponent's horse. The word I've heard is that the Long Colt was a fairly effective sidearm with the power to down a horse.

    I've also heard, can't confirm, that in the century old trials of the 1911 that it may have been tried upon an equestrian example.

    In my first long-time job, in the eighties, the plant manager was elderly and in rare moments of camaraderie, mentioned his still seething hatred of being trained, in the post WWI era, to ensure the horse pulling the gun was first fitted with its gas mask. He didn't hate the horses, but still complained the realization a horse was the more valuable warm body anywhere near the front line.
     
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    poor animals,when politicians would have been much cheaper
     
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    Before smokeless powder came out, wood planks was the standard media.
     
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    that's going to be highly dependent on whether lawyers are involved...but likely you are still correct ;)
     
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