Shooting at Tacoma, WA Mall: Ongoing

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Wait -- Isn't the Mall a "Gun Free Zone"??

Sad that anyone at all was hurt. I guess criminals just don't abide by the No-Guns signs on the mall doors anymore. Don't they know the mall is supposed to be a Gun-Free Zone??
 
CAPTAIN MIKE said:
Sad that anyone at all was hurt. I guess criminals just don't abide by the No-Guns signs on the mall doors anymore. Don't they know the mall is supposed to be a Gun-Free Zone??
Mike - looks like you had the selector on "Burst"...
 
Very strange indeed, especially given that it's almost indistinguishable from the FN FNC.
 
"ASSAULT RIFLE, ASSAULT RIFLE, ASSAULT RIFLE!"

Too bad about 50% of America has no idea about what they are talking about, but they know that term quite well. It's a terrible thing, but when SWAT puts a couple through that SOB, the world will be a better place, but no one will forget THE ASSAULT RIFLE! :banghead: God be with the victims' families.
 
Not up here in The Free State of Washington. We may bear arms while shopping

Actually, we may not, at least not in that mall. It's posted right on all the entry doors.

Of course that doesn't stop the bad guys, or the good guys, from carrying there.
 
The local media is now reporting that the shooter is a 20 year old Tacoma resident with an extensive juvenile record. Police are currently searching his home just a few blocks from the mall.


That is a lie. Criminals are forbidden to possess firearms!:cuss: :cuss: :cuss:
 
Dean,

in WA, the signs are virtaully meaningless. in order to be in violation of the law, someone one in possesion of a weapon must be asked to leave, and refuse. then its a criminal trespass charge, but no weapons charges. the signs are Simon Properties policy, not the law. CCW'er have nothing to fear unless they are outed and asked to leave. concealed means concealed, until its time.

Bobby
 
Surrender Story

From CNN

Mall shooting suspect surrenders
6 people hurt, others held hostage for 3 hours in Tacoma

Monday, November 21, 2005; Posted: 12:06 a.m. EST (05:06 GMT)

Tacoma, Washington
(CNN) -- A man accused of shooting six people at a Tacoma, Washington, shopping mall surrendered to police after a three-hour hostage standoff Sunday afternoon, authorities said.

One of the wounded was in critical condition Sunday evening, a hospital spokesman said.

The man barricaded himself in a music store at Tacoma Mall, taking three employees hostage, after opening fire with a semi-automatic rifle about 12:15 p.m. (3:15 p.m. ET), Tacoma Police spokesman Mark Fulghum said.

A SWAT team arrested the suspect after a period of negotiations, Fulghum said.

"The suspect is in custody; all three hostages are out of the business, and they're fine," Fulghum said.

He had few details about the arrest, but said, "There were no shots fired or anything like that."

He said the shooter, who was armed with a semi-automatic rifle, "was just in the mall and he opened fire," apparently at random.

"He was in the mall, walking along, firing," he said.

Jon Lendosky, Tacoma's deputy fire chief, said five of the six people wounded had minor injuries.

Todd Kelley, a spokesman for Tacoma General Hospital, said one person was received in critical condition.

Tacoma Mall is about four miles south of downtown Tacoma. Among its 140 merchants are Nordstrom, Macy's, JCPenney, Sears and Mervyn's.

Joanne Woods, an employee at a nearby Krispy Kreme donut shop, said police were "on every corner" during the standoff.

"It's sad that people have gotten hurt, but it's a nice neighborhood," she said.
 
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nice neighborhood? are you kidding? its an S-hole. obviously a person that hasn't been around the area very much. that area is low income, high crime and an area to avoid if at all possible.

Bobby
 
I've only been to Tacoma once, so my opinion doesn't count for much, but it looked very overpopulated and run down. Several people on the side of the road bumming for change. I must have missed the neighborhood they were talking about.

jmm
 
Bobarino is right, the neighborhood is a S-hole for sure.....right down the road is the east side gang territory, a couple miles more and you're on hilltop.....
This isn't the first incident there, a couple years ago there was a wannabee gang gunfight right in front of the same mall around Christmas time.....
Channel 4 did just report on the 11:00 news that the gun is an AK-5, but I still don't know if I am buying that.....
The legal gun carrying citizen who apparently helped some folks escape early on is not even being mentioned of course:banghead:
......tom
 
Tacoma Mall is not in one of the nicer areas of the city. In a previous job, I used to have to go to the hospitals in Tacoma to give lectures. Two of the major hospitals (Tacoma General/Mary Bridge and St. Joseph's) are in a very rough area of town, and most of my lectures started at 0700. Driving through the Hilltop at 0600 was always an experience. Many's the time I wished for my very own AK-5 myself......;)
 
I think tacoma has calmed down a lot compared to 25 years ago. I used to drive thru the Hilltop then every day and it was rough.
Yea ha! I feel lucky today. We went to tacoma yesterday for a little shopping and visiting the museum, bookstore etc. I wanted to go to the mall to buy some jeans at sears or penneys, my wife says lets go to the museum first. Then we go to the bookstore and hear all hell breaking loose at the mall, on the radio. My mall visit would havr put us in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
From John Farnam's website:

20Nov05

Active Shooter in Tacoma, WA Mall, from a friend at the scene:

"Today's shooting involved a twenty-year-old, Hispanic male, high on crystal meth. It was an attempted suicide-by-cop. However, during the ent ire incident, no police bullets were ever fired at the suspect. The suspect wa s armed with a CZ 9mm pistol, loaded with Remington Golden Saber ammunition. He also had a Kalashnikov clone (7.62X39, hardball ammunition) secreted in a guitar case.

He started by firing his pistol randomly down a mall corridor. He was jumped from behind by an unarmed mall patron who attempted to disarm him. In the ensuing struggle, the patron was hit four times in the torso before the suspect's badly-rusted and poorly maintained CZ experienced a stoppa ge which precluded additional shooting by the suspect. The heroic patron was the on ly person seriously injured during the incident. All other injuries were mino r, mostly caused by ricochets and people being trampled during the panicked ex it of mall shoppers.

With his pistol non-operational an apparently not knowing how to fix it, th e suspect abandoned it and reverted to his AK, again firing randomly. Our ' Active-Shooter' training really paid off! First officers to arrive did not hesitate. They organized into the diamond formation and entered the mall building straightaway, moving toward the sound of gunfire. Some officers w ere armed with Ruger Mini-14s. Upon seeing advancing officers, then suspect ran into

a mall store and took three hostages. Officers were successful in containi ng the suspect and clearing the rest of the mall.

Negotiations began. At one point, the suspect fell asleep! He eventually gave up and released all hostages. He is currently in custody, uninjured. No shots were fired by police."

Comment: As my friend indicated, "Active Shooter" training i s critical for all departments, big and small. It surely worked here. The suspect was rapidly contained, and damage was minimized. SWAT teams were eventually involved, but the guys who heroically organized themselves and entered the building first were plain-vanilla patrolmen. They deserve a lot of credit. Good sh ow, guys!

/John
 
Hmm, the account from John Farnam's website does not correlate in all respects with what is currently in the print and television media. It will be interesting to see if further information develops that would support or refute this account.
 
I still find it hard to belive that your garden variety nutjob has access to an AK-5. Did someone fart? I smell poo.

To you and me a Bofors AK-5 is a nifty and hard to find weapon that is worthy of prominent display in any collection. To some scumbag on the street its just one more stolen/smuggled machingun being sold out of the back of a van. Sad as it is to say its probably worth less than an Ak-47 on the street cuz it looks a little funny.

nice neighborhood? are you kidding? its an S-hole. obviously a person that hasn't been around the area very much. that area is low income, high crime and an area to avoid if at all possible.

+1 on an accurate description of the place where this happened.

Let me add though that the TPD is a really solid department, due largely to the fact that they all see a *lot* of action on a fairly routine basis. Ive met a handfull of their officers and been impressed by all of them.
 
I have to say I've often wanted to attack the cell phone kiosk--but not because I was given a free cell phone! It's usually because I've been standing in line for an hour while the ditsy woman chats up with her friends ahead of me. Even then shooting it isn't my fantasy--I dream of tipping it over and pushing it into a nearby waterway where the evil thing short-circuits and shuts down the entire evil cell phone system.
 
Were the wounded injured due to the panic or did this guy bounce rounds off the floor and hit people in the legs (everyone except the guy that tried to disarm the shooter, that is)?
 
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