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Shooting in Alger, WA (north of Seattle) [merged threads]

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by FourTeeFive, Sep 2, 2008.

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  1. FourTeeFive

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  2. Hook686

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    This is why the public will not support those that want to buy firearms.

    I just read this at:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_re_us/shooting_rampage

    It seems to me all the logic, rationalization, training, teaching, pleading, praying, ... can never avoid this type situation. As long as people are involved, s**t will happen.

    Not good for the R2K crowd I'm thinking, for it seems to me this type situation leads easily to, 'It is the gun that caused these deaths', mentality.
     
  3. stampsm

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    well in most states this would already preclude him from legally owning firearms, so in effect this is someone who illegally possessed firearms and used them to commit a crime.
     
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    So, how about those ammo prices?
     
  5. Mortech

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    Actually the guy was on a 'watch list' so he obviously didn't just walk in a store and purchase a weapon in this state . An event like this will have no impact on the states gun laws , pretty much after the Tacoma mall shootings a lot of libs saw the light .
     
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  6. B yond

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    Lets just make it illegal to murder people. That will surely prevent this from happening again.
     
  7. 10 Ring Tao

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    Yeah!! Write new laws to ban murder!! Imagine how happy and peaceful society will be!

















    oh...dammit...never mind
     
  8. Duke Junior

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    This sounds like the best idea yet.
     
  9. Treo

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    I think instances like this do nothing but good for RKBA after the New Life Church shooting there was a spike in CHP applications. I think the non gun owning public is begining to realize that A) It's usually all over before the cops show up. And B) The bad guys are going to have guns irrespective of the law.

    As more people realize this more will buy guns & start to take responsiblity for their own safety.

    Treo Out.
     
  10. TRGRHPY

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    Most anti's don't understand that even if you take the guns out of the equation, mass killings can still happen. It happens from bombs practically every day in the middle-east. Box-cutters killed over 3,000 on 9-11-01. Timothy McVeigh. Most serial killers. The list can go on and on...and so can the argument.

    Some research that I did about a year ago for a paper showed that violent crime rates across the country were about the same, but where gun crimes were lower, other methods of violence were higher (knives, blunt objects, etc.)...whereas they were comparitively less in areas where gun crimes were higher. This was taken from the UCR by region. So the method changes, but the violence stays the same, so how about enforcing laws instead of trying to ban every conceivable item that can be used as a weapon? Or does that just make too much sense?

    There was an automobile collision last night where some guy ran a red light and t-boned a family in an suv....perhaps we should ban red lights...
     
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    And people wonder why I carry a gun!!!
     
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    Yeah...It's all about perspective. I read that story thinking, "This is such a great argument for more responsible people to carry. Too bad I'm in CA...".

    Someone's sig line (I'm sorry I don't recall who or I would give credit) says something to the effect of: 'Did you ever notice that those mass shootings never happen at NRA meetings?'. Seems fitting here.

    The more our society disarms in the name of safety, the more this sort of thing will happen. I'm wondering how much worse it needs to get before there is a 'Mass Awakening'.
     
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    I live pretty close. Bummer. The guy was known to be mentally ill. My prayers go out to the families.
     
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    I'm in shock over this, too. Originally it had been reported that a Skagit County Deputy Sheriff was killed, and a WSP Tropper has been shot and injured. This has now obviously grown to a proportion that borders on unbelievable and unimaginable.

    My thoughts and prayers to those who were victims of this very unfortunate tragedy. It leaves me speechless.
     
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    This story was already posted, some 40 minutes earlier than when the OP started this thread ...

    See:
    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=390062

    And no, this is NOT why the public won't support those who wish to keep and bear firearms.

    The alleged killer, a person with known mental illness, is a convicted felon, still under DOC supervision. He is barred by law from buying or keeping firearms.
     
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    It's worth mentioning, that if the same kind of "mentally ill" person, decided to ram his car into others, or attack people with a club or pipe, or commit arson in a crowded theater......would you say that the problem was solved by banning CARS, PIPES, LIGHTER FLUID etc?

    At least regarding firearms, many citizens can also legally arm themselves, and protect themselves.

    That RANDOMNESS factor in life, the unexpected and non-rational acts of violence, nobody can absolutely prevent that, unless you eliminate all the people.

    We can only LEGISLATE, by law, some things. Other acts of will or craziness...those cannot be legislated.

    /:uhoh::uhoh::uhoh::uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:
     
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    Has there been any mention of the type of firearms used, and where he got them?
     
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    Anything whatever can and does encourages leftist extremists to throw away the rights of commoners.
     
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    What will hurt the RKBA is when somoene with a CCW and appears to be normal goes on rampage.
     
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    Absolutely correct--at best, this is a neutral story. Those who are inclined to be anti will say "see, guns are bad", those who are pro can say "see, restrictions don't work".

    What I never see in these stories, or any follow ups, is how this guy got the gun/s he used(especially those guys who shouldn't have had access to guns in the first place).
     
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    And my wife still won't understand why I carry my 38. even to Lowes....Sad sad sad times.
     
  23. rainbowbob

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    It should lead to the conclusion that untreated mental illness caused these deaths.

    It is so difficult to get help for a person with a serious mental illness that many families finally give up in despair after years and years of frustration and failure.

    We have swung so far toward "protecting" the civil rights of the mentally ill that we (as a society) are reluctant to enforce treatment - even when a person has demonstrated beyond doubt that they are a danger to himself and/or others.

    Treatment works - but the person needing it is often too impaired to make that decision for himself. We would not allow an Alzheimer's patient to wander around confused and ill. We would take somebody having a heart attack to the hospital - even if they insisted we leave them alone. If somebody has an infectious disease that puts the rest of us at grave risk - we force them into quarantine and treatment.

    But if you are suffering from a debilitating brain disorder - tough luck - you're on your own until you kill somebody.

    This HAS to change.
     
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    As a medic, I'd have to disagree. Any patient is legally free to refuse care. Assuming they are of age and have a normal level of consciousness, and they refuse care, we cannot treat them.
    Your comparison worked, until you got to the
    So while I do agree with you, the way you have it is factually incorrect. If they have a lowered level of consciousness (sick), we take care of them, yet when they have a debilitating brain disorder we leave them alone much longer.
     
  25. TRGRHPY

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    rainbowbob (and others...can't leave anyone out :))

    The issue of taking care of mental illness in our country is difficult. If someone wants treatment they will get it. BUT, most do not want treatment or, more commonly, won't wait in lines for public assistance, and others who "feel better" and quit taking their meds only to relapse and then start self-medicating. So you have a massive amount of people in this country who self-medicate, including things as common as depression. Our prisons are filled with people who have mental illness, but there is not really a system set up for them...and in fairness, there shouldn't be, at least not in prison. Prisons were never meant to be a mental health facililty. Since most of the Mental health hospitals were closed several years ago, the problem is getting worse.

    People have choices, and even the mentally ill are capable of making those choices. If they choose to get help, it is there for them. But you cannot excuse their actions either way...mental illness is not an excuse or defense for committing crime. It is a very sad situation all around.
     
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