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shooting in the rain

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by taliv, Aug 24, 2008.

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  1. taliv

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    ya know, there's just something about laying out in the rain, shooting a precision rifle. all the pansies go inside and it's nice and quiet. get your zen on.
     
  2. bragood

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    I have to agree with you on that! Was shooting in a garand match last year and it rained all day and the firing line was not covered and no cover to be seen for miles. It was awesome though and I believe more should do it.
     
  3. Jason_G

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    Never really did much target shooting in the rain, but I've sat in my share of tree stands during downpours. Deer usually bed down when there's a frog-strangler, but when the rain stops it is good to be on the stand. I usually try to sit it out unless there's no end in sight. I usually carry one of those plastic rifle bags for my gun in case it starts raining. What do you guys do about rust?

    Jason
     
  4. Slamfire

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    Well, I am a pansie now.

    When I was Hard Core, I would go out and shoot a highpower match in the rain. I was happy to shoot in the rain in local matches. At the end of the day, I would be covered in grass and mud, my equipment saturated, and I would have to disassemble my rifle completely.

    There were times I had to use a blow drier on the eyepiece to my spotting scope. Because rain had fogged it up.

    Now, if the weather channel shows rain, I ain't going.

    Gone to the Pansie side.
     
  5. telomerase

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    Seems that it would randomize your results at long range... hitting raindrops has to do something :confused:

    Gene Kelly agrees with you though:

    I'm shoot-ing in the rain
    Just shooting in the rain
    What a glorious feelin'
    I'm happy again
     
  6. marktx

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    Went out to the range last weekend when it was pouring down and had a great time. The firing line is covered so it was pretty simple to back the car up and pull the guns out without even getting them wet. Nobody was around to be distracting or ask a bunch of questions about those funny looking foreign guns. It was also a great opportunity to try out a few mags of tracers, normally wouldn't dare due to the fire hazard.

    Only downside was a few of them chuck the shells way out in the rain. Oh well
     
  7. jdc1244

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    Rain is fine, lightning not. Golf clubs and guns are a bad idea in a Florida lightning storm.
     
  8. Jason_G

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    Add "rod and reel" to that list please :D

    Jason
     
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    Back in my college days, some 40+ years ago, a friend and I were shooting while it was sleeting.
     
  10. Bartkowski

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    Let it rain. When you go in for the day dry the gun and oil it up. I do carry a plastic sandwich bag for the scope if I don't have a cover for the lens. Nothings worse than seeing a deer, but having water drops blur the scope.
     
  11. EShell

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    Rain has no effect on exterior ballistics. The shock wave that is pushed ahead of the bullet displaces raindrops and there is no appreciable loss of velocity or increase in drop.

    Storms are no good to shoot (recreationally) in, due to lightning hazard and the typically higher winds that accompany storm activity.

    A gentle rain can be very educational to shoot in, due to being able to actually see the wind in the slant of the rainfall.

    Wet cartridges can show high pressure, and I've seen several occasions in which even factory loaded ammo will flatten primers, show ejector marks and be difficult to extract. I do not know the mechanism at work, but suspect it has to do with dampness increasing case head thrust.
     
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    I love being out in the rain, just not with my guns.

    Its not that I have a problem with shooting in bad whether, I just worry about rust developing.
     
  13. possum

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    yeah the other day i went out in the hurricane (as my wife likes to put it) it was clear when i went out and i knew it would probally rain but i didn't care i wanted to shoot by god. so i did, and the rain was horrible, but what a binch of fun it was, and for me the training dosen't stop because of a littele wetness. it was fun and i am sure that i will do it again.
     
  14. tiger rag

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    Good info ESHELL
    Thanks
     
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    I was in a competition the other month, shooting steel at 200 yards through an EOTech in a driving rain storm. It was such that I could discern the spray-painted color of the target, but because the rain was in spots and rivulets on both sides of the glass, it was almost impossible to really focus. I managed to hit it twice out of five shots without magnification, and while it felt like a bit of an accomplishment, having to dry everything out was a PITA at the end of the day. I would have been just as happy to have done it on a dry day, thank you.
     
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    No thanks. I shot, and lived in a area where it rained six month at a time. NO fun.

    Oneshooter
    Livin in Texas
     
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    If i had a stainless barrel, and a laminate stock, or shot under a tent I would, and I find outdoors in general to be better with rain. My favorite, though, is taking an old beater gun and shooting in ankle deep snow.
     
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    It was snowing the day I bought my M44, so I took 2 boxes of ammo and killed a few Nazi logs. It's been in the rain as well, just seems to thrive in the snow. :)
     
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    I still go out in the rain sometimes, but I will more than likely be casting or reloading if it's going to rain too much.
    If your worried about rain on you rifles wax makes the water bead just like on your car.
     
  20. Jenrick

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    Place I used to shoot had a covered concrete pad pistol range surround on three sides by a berm that was taller then the roof. The berm during the summer is covered in 6' sun flowers, which makes being out there a little odd in the first place. Add in a frog strangler that had the water pouring in a water fall off all sides of the roof, and me not getting wet, it looked like Salvador Dali decided to paint a shooting range or something.

    -Jenrick
     
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    I had the funniest thing happen to me once, while in the Army, in the Philippines, setting up a live fire mock ambush, on an overlooking hill. With my Lt. , Rto man, and me as a 60 gunner, with an asst. We were on a bare hill, hi above the zone. and the rain comes.... and just never relents. At one point the Lt looks at me, and there is a little river of water, that is running down the flat ground of this bare top, and the river is going rigth into the top of my BDU shirt, and continues on down my uniform,(laying in the pron pos) and is coming out my left pantleg, and continuing to make it's little stream, right into the top of the ground. And he looks at me, and the little river at the front of me, and the one coming out my pant leg, and we all just start breaking up, loudly!!!
    We had to postpone the ambush, we couldn't stop laughing for about 20 minutes...We had been in the field a long time at this point, and man, we were all just really punchdrunk at that point, I imagine anything like that would make anyone laugh uncontrollably.
     
  22. General Geoff

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    This is not true, heavy rain does increase bullet drop dramatically.


    Back to the OP, I shoot in the rain as often as I can. I enjoy rain in general, however, and usually go outside when it's raining just because.
     
  23. EShell

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    How far? What caliber(s)? Subsonic cartridges aside, if this statement comes from personal experience, I would have to think that either your rifle POI itself was directly affected (bedding vs stock warp as it took on water, for one example, reduced ammo temperature and reduced MV is yet another), or that the rain I've shot in must not be nearly as heavy as your's, which would be hard to believe due to target visibility.

    There is also the aspect of other unseen environmental factors, such as station pressure changes. It is VERY easy to see 2 MOA or more change in drop at extended ranges due to air density alone. Running any ballistic program with variations on the "altitude" parameter will very quickly demonstrate this. Do you monitor air density (station pressure or density altitude) when shooting at extended range?

    Mirage shifts POI upwards, sometimes almost imperceptibly, other times substantially, and there is usually no mirage during rain . . . could this have been the culprit?

    We've spent quite a bit of time shooting out to 1,200 yards with .243s (105 Scenars), various 6.5s (.260/6.5-284/6.5-300Wby, all using 139/140/142 BTHPs), .308s (155 Scenars & 175 SMKs) and .300WinMags (210 Bergers) and, if we can still see the targets, drop data has been unaffected.

    In fact, I've often seen the opposite and there have been times when drop is slightly lessened by the reduced density altitude that often accompanies this sort of weather, not to mention the fact that increased humidity further reduces air density.

    There is a military report that I am unable to find at the moment that specifically indicates that the effects of rain on bullet flight are minor and takes a distant back seat to several other other factors.

    And then, there's this collective experience:
    http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ub...&Main=63692&Words=rain&Search=true#Post694051
    http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ub...&Main=59723&Words=rain&Search=true#Post666115
    http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=466138&page=1

    For these reasons and in light of our own experiences, I stick to my statement above and suggest that there were/are other factors involved if rain seems to be causing increased drop.

    JImbothefiveth, if the ammo can be kept perfectly dry, the effects on the rifle's finish is the biggest problem I've seen. I have a Remington LTR that I can sit and watch rust, Badger rings seem almost impossible to protect and the effects on a rifle that is blued in a wood stock are worse than "ugly". For abusive conditions, I've gone to synthetic stocks (McMillan, Manners and HS Precision), and have had my last few custom rifles finished in Teflon.
     
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    I try to bring my Finnish M39 out in the rain now and then. The one I have is all beat up anyway, and saw combat almost for certain. I figure shooting it in the rain isn't a big deal. :)
     
  25. rc109a

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    I don't like shooting in the rain, but deer hunting is fun. I have never seen so many out like I do when you get that gental shower. Not to mention that they cannot hear as well. I am sure Reloader Fred is one of those who loves shooting in the rain since it rains almost everyday at his place...
     
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