Shooting modern .22 Short in Remington 1901 Target Pistol
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243winxb
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i would shoot CCI 22 short target ammo. Its a light load with low velocity. http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=5&loadNo=0037
The gun may handle the higher power ammo, but i dont know ??
The gun may handle the higher power ammo, but i dont know ??
Carl N. Brown
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With a very old gun, condition may determine whether it is safe with standard velocity .22 short (target grade).
I cleaned up an old black powder era single shot inherited by a relative; one of the models listed in my repro of the 1897 Sears, Roebuck & Company caralog. An oil and carnuba wax only clear up, just to stop rust, remove dirt and protect against deterioration.
I test fired it with CCI CB ammo only (720 fps quiet practice stuff) not standard velocity target and definitely not modern high velocity hunting ammo.
I cleaned up an old black powder era single shot inherited by a relative; one of the models listed in my repro of the 1897 Sears, Roebuck & Company caralog. An oil and carnuba wax only clear up, just to stop rust, remove dirt and protect against deterioration.
I test fired it with CCI CB ammo only (720 fps quiet practice stuff) not standard velocity target and definitely not modern high velocity hunting ammo.
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243winxb
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There is 3000 PSI difference between LR and Shorts. 24,000 vs 21,000 psi. EDIT ADD-Modern day SAAMI pressures.
I would guess black powder shells were less pressure??
Maybe ask here? http://www.remingtonsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23202
I would guess black powder shells were less pressure??
Maybe ask here? http://www.remingtonsociety.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23202
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Jim Watson
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It is a Rolling Block, one of the stronger black powder era actions. They were available in .22 S and L, .25 RF, and .44 S&W. I suspect actually .44 S&W Russian in a target pistol
I doubt it will have any trouble holding in fresh .22 shorts.
Oh, by the way, they made 735 of them. Take care of it.
I doubt it will have any trouble holding in fresh .22 shorts.
Oh, by the way, they made 735 of them. Take care of it.
243winxb
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http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/black_powder.htm
If these pressure readings are correct, black powder produces very low pressure in cartridges.
If my gun, i would shoot the OP's ammo. But i am not telling him to do so.
If these pressure readings are correct, black powder produces very low pressure in cartridges.
If my gun, i would shoot the OP's ammo. But i am not telling him to do so.
I did ask this question over at that forum before posting to this one. Trouble is, you wait a very long time for an answer on that forum.
Jim Watson
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Back when Guns & Ammo was a fairly technical publication, I read of the guy who rebarreled one of the .50 Navy Rolling Block pistols to .30 carbine. It seemed to hold up, so I wouldn't worry about .22 Short.
Okay I didn't think it would be a problem. BUT I did ask a similar question about high velocity vs standard .22 LR ammunition in a Smith and Wesson.22/32 Bekeart and discovered I should probably not shoot high velocity .22 LR ammunition in that revolver, not a Marlin 1897 rifle I own.
Jim Watson
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Those old Marlins were not as sturdy as they look. An enthusiast rechambered one of the .32 RF/CF to .32 S&W Long and beat up the locking engagements pretty quick.
I figure the caution on the Bekeart was its flat cylinder face. The recessed rims of later guns were to deflect blowout from a split rim.
I figure the caution on the Bekeart was its flat cylinder face. The recessed rims of later guns were to deflect blowout from a split rim.
Mizar
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Jim, I think that recessed cylinders in rimfire revolvers are made that way so to protect the rims from accidentally hitting them with something, and not to deflect blowout.
I am not that Jim, but the recessed chambers were definitely to diffuse the blowout in case of a cartridge rim failure. That was pretty common with the old copper cases, but is almost unknown today, and even the makers who once used it have mostly gone to the straight breech face. (The discussion is not new; S&W made its .22 LR revolvers with recessed chambers for decades, while Colt never bothered and I never heard a Colt called unsafe for that reason.)
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Mizar
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You may not be that Jim, but both of you Jims have a ton (or two) of knowledge, so I stand corrected.
kBob
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If you are worried you might try CB shorts. I believe CCI makes such in addition to their more popular CB Long. I use CB Longs in a .22 LR rifle or two because with a longer barrel they are very quiet and enough for close range paper punching or even the squirrels that are starting to eye my grapes and figs again. The CB Longs throw a 29 grain .22 short bullet at 710 to 750 fps if I remember correctly I imagine the CB short does much the same in rifle barrels, but no guess on your pistol. I will say the CB Longs while air rifle quiet in a 20 inch rifle are rather loud in a pistol.
I would love to see some photos of your Rolling block here on THR.
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I would love to see some photos of your Rolling block here on THR.
-kBob
Jim Watson
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That's a beauty. Remember, one of 735. But made up to .44 cal.
kBob
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orpington,
Sorry I took so long to respond. Thanks for posting those pictures. Those are great looking guns. Took the family to Orlando this week and swam with the dolphin at Sea World's Discovery Cove. Longest I have been away from THR in a while. Thought I was about to go into withdrawal. Your pictures have given me the fix I needed.
For a while in the 70's or 80's some one was making and importing a modern made Remington Rolling Block style pistol in .357 and though I never physically saw or handled one I lusted after the pictures in the gun books. I believe they offered a .22LR as well. Your originals do look much nicer and history is always a good thing.
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Sorry I took so long to respond. Thanks for posting those pictures. Those are great looking guns. Took the family to Orlando this week and swam with the dolphin at Sea World's Discovery Cove. Longest I have been away from THR in a while. Thought I was about to go into withdrawal. Your pictures have given me the fix I needed.
For a while in the 70's or 80's some one was making and importing a modern made Remington Rolling Block style pistol in .357 and though I never physically saw or handled one I lusted after the pictures in the gun books. I believe they offered a .22LR as well. Your originals do look much nicer and history is always a good thing.
-kBob
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I remember those modern Remington Rolling Block pistols. I think they were made by Uberti in .357 and .45 Colt and imported by Navy Arms.
I remember those modern Remington Rolling Block pistols. I think they were made by Uberti in .357 and .45 Colt and imported by Navy Arms.
Jim Watson
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They even made a silhouette model in .30-30. Modern materials, sure, but it is pretty reassuring about .22 Short in an original.
Gordon
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That Remington is GTG with any short as long as the block seems tight in battery ; no wiggle especially front to back. It is basically the #4 Rolling block size and I shoot my #4 Remington in .22 short or Long with any thing except stinger type ammo after I ran an LR chamber reamer into it which really cleaned up the chamber too .
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