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Shooting my CZ 75 PCR - got another question

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by ccoyle, Oct 20, 2019.

  1. ccoyle

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    I had another opportunity to take my new PCR to the range -- only the second time I have shot it and first time with the new G10 grips, so I really needed the practice. The first trip to the range produced groups that were low and left, which I worked to correct with some snap cap practice to try to control recoil flinch. I think that has helped some.

    Anyways, I present the following two targets for analysis, both shot at 5 yards. As you can see here, I started off shooting left again, but at least not low.
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    I figured that the grouping would tighten up with more practice. I also noticed that I wasn't placing my finger pad on the trigger correctly, so I fixed that. As per usual, I started off the session by shooting with both eyes open. I don't have great vision, am right eye dominant, and have astigmatism in one eye -- I can't say whether these conditions affect how I shoot. But, although I did seem to be grouping tighter with practice, my shots were still bunching up left -- you can see this in the next target. Out of curiosity, I decided to try aiming with one eye, which produced the group that you can see is more or less dead-center.
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    I don't have the experience to say whether the improved shooting with one eye versus both is normal, so I'd like to hear what a knowledgeable shooter thinks on that question.

    I am still waiting for some funds to get this pistol properly tuned up, which, along with more practice, will hopefully help make it even more reliably accurate. Even without the tune-up, I feel confident that I can at least put lead in a target's center of mass.

    Thanks for reading!
     
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  2. chicharrones

    chicharrones needs more ammo

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    My biggest gripe with my PCR is the sights followed by the long creep trigger. My middle aged eyes are to blame for the sights, and the long creep trigger can be overcome by not treating the PCR as a target gun. Pull the trigger through the creep quickly instead of expecting a glass rod break, and all is much better.

    The original front sight was replaced with a tritium front sight years ago, but that made the sight harder to see except for in the dark. Yesterday, I put a red fiber optic front sight on my PCR. I plan to be testing it out next weekend. So far, the fiber optic is easier for me to aim than the tritium as long as there is enough light to make the fiber optic glow.
     
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  3. roval

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    i went shooting today with 4 guns. my cz sp01, p10c, PCR and my xdm 5.25. my pcr has the rubber rips that came with it.i really like those. i like the palm swell and the tackiness of the rubbber. i don't shoot the pcr that often and forgot how fun it is to shoot. i shot at 10 and 25 yrds. paper and my 10 inch gong respectively. i previously thought i have to aim low with it but it really is just me not being so used to the sights . i still have a tendency to shoot higher at 25 yrds with it compared to the other guns including the p10c.
     
  4. ATLDave

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    If I had a hammer-fired CZ with a lot of creep, I'd have that fixed.

    CZ's, like many guns, come from the factory with a wide variety of trigger quality, because they don't spend a lot of time working the hammer/sear interface to a fine degree. They get them safe and functional, then send them out. A gunsmith can generally clean up that creep pretty easily. There's usually no reason to suffer with a creepy trigger on a hammer-fired, steel-framed gun. Just fix it.
     
  5. ATLDave

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    Both eyes open is generally preferred for fast work and for addressing multiple targets. But a lot of shooters do find that, with iron sights, they get their absolute best precision with a one-eyed sight picture and a hard front sight focus. I shoot both eyes open most of the time, but if I'm shooting irons and am trying to aim/hit particularly small/far, I will usually close my non-dominant eye.

    Put non-dominant eye closure in the big pile of shooting related things where dogma about "always" or "never" being the same for "everyone" go to die.
     
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  6. Rule3

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    Sorry someone had to.:)

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    PS: The CZ 75 PCR D is on of my most favorite pistols!
    If the gun is BRAND new it takes hundreds of rounds to "smooth out" Just keep practicing perhaps at 10 yards, then if you go to 5 yards the target will seem so much Bigger.
     
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  7. ATLDave

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    Not super helpful, but still vastly less wild-goose-chase-inducing than then "original" that gets circulated.
     
  8. I6turbo

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    ccoyle, if you install the Cajun Gun Works Ultra-Lite Kit https://cajungunworks.com/product/54420-ultra-lite/ (or just install the lighter hammer spring and firing pin spring without the firing pin and retainer pin) it will lighten the trigger enough that your accuracy will likely improve. That kit won't change the amount of camming-back of the hammer, but IME on several CZs, it makes it less noticeable for slow-fire target-type shooting. If you want to essentially eliminate the camming back using CGW kits, you can install their race hammer kit which will also further lighten the trigger pull. If you want the trigger even better, you can keep going with more of their parts. CGW parts make already-great CZs even better. :)

    Also, just getting more trigger time with your CZ will likely help as well.
     
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  9. Rule3

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    I do not understand why many folks want to modify the gun (they never shot it) and the OP just got it and is shooting at 5 yards??
     
  10. ATLDave

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    There was a comment from another poster about his PCR having a trigger with a lot of creep. That's just a fixable thing, if someone cares about it.
     
  11. I6turbo

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    I'm not sure why others want to modify guns that they just got, but for me and CZ handguns, I've modified enough of them to know that however nice any of their $1200-and-less NIB guns are from the factory, they get noticeably better with the CGW kits. I learned this after the first couple of guns, so I don't need to shoot a NIB one to see if I want to improve it. I know that as cheap and easy as the improvements are, I want to make 'em. If I have a good opportunity to shoot the gun before I modify it, fine. But it's still getting modified as soon as I get around to it. :)
     
  12. Rule3

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    No one here knows the shooters"
    Grip
    Stance
    Experience
    Ammo

    Yet the answer is to "tune" the gun to hit a 8" target at 5 yards. Add to that any gunsmithing experience to work on a CZ which are not the easiest to begin with.

    Just buy one from the Custom Center:)

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