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Shooting oneself with an air taser?

Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics and Training' started by GuyWithQuestions, May 22, 2007.

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  1. GuyWithQuestions

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    Hello,

    I thought this was relevant to strategies and tactics because it deals with preparing yourself for self-defense. I was thinking about volunteering to have myself shot with an air taser sometime. As some of you may know, I posted a video of me being pepper sprayed on THR. I believe that if you want to carry something for self-defense, you should try it out on yourself before you carry it so that you'll understand how it works from firsthand experience. You'll know what its strengths and limitations are. This only applies to devices that aren't normally supposed to leave "permanent" damage, so I'd never do it with firearms or a baton because that would just be stupid. I've heard that there was a study that found that air tasers don't usually cause "permanent" damage (although it causes temporary damage), unless one lands on something that wouldn't be good for them or they get shot in the eyes. I know a cop who volunteered to get shot with an air taser in the academy; he said it hurt like extreme heck.

    My question is: is this a wise idea if you're thinking of perhaps carrying one in the future when you get more money? If you do it, what's the best setup? Stand on top of a large air filled mattress? If I do it, I don't want to tape the probes to me, I want to actually be shot so that I'd know whether I could rely on this device or not. I'd want to be shot in the front side, not the back side, so that I'd have the closest thing to what it'd be like in real life. Would some sort of eye protection be good? I'd want to experience it first before actually spending all of that money. I realize it's $25 per shot with an air taser. Are there places to find people where you could have it done to you? Do some self-defense places demonstrate an air taser on someone as part of the course?

    Thanks for any advice any of you may have

    By the way: I'm not doing this to be tuff or anything. I truly want to know what it's like before I trust my safety with it.

    Note: If you're going to bash me saying I'm trying to be tuff, please don't post on this thread.
     
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  2. never_retreat

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    Why don't you just lick a spark plug wire or something? It should provide similar results. If the doesn’t do it you could play with a neon sign transformer.
    Jackass is not looking for help.
     
  3. atk

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    never_retreat,

    Not very high road of you, there. It is my understanding that there are many police departments around the country that require their officers to be tazed before they use tazers.

    The original question is not unreasonable to ask.
     
  4. mdao

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    Taser Wound Care

    As most severe injuries are head injuries sustained from falling and because extricating barbs from the face, eyes, or genitalia isn't fun; I'd probably wear a full face motorcycle helmet and some sort of groin protector.
     
  5. The Unknown User

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    It's different being required to experience the effect of your non-lethal weapons, and voluntarily wanting to experience said effect when you're not required to.

    I say go for it if you want, but make sure people are there to make sure you don't kill yourself.
     
  6. atk

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    Rob,

    You're absolutely right. It is different. But it's not unreasonable.
     
  7. mlandman

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    My son did that at a restaurant when he was 15. The spark jumped over an inch, burnt the hair off of a 1/2" circle on his arm and left a bloodless pin sized hole into his arm at the center of the circle!:what:

    Since I carry a 9mm, I personally will pass on the first hand experience of my self defence, given my druthers!;)
     
  8. Roccobro

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    I've taken the ride. If you have any question or desire to know how it actually effects your body I say do it. It is only 5 seconds of your life (that feels like a minute) but is invaluable.

    I've laid awake at night wondering about more stupid stuff than "will my personal defense weapon work like I think it does...."

    Maybe contact the local police training academy. Role players are usually welcome, and if you want to be PAID in a tazing, they just might be kind enough to hook you up. (No pun intended!) :D Our local training facility has CCW classes on the weekend, and level 1-3 reserve training. This includes OC, CS, tazer and baton training.

    Justin
     
  9. kd7nqb

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    In Oregon all the LEO officers that carry tasers have to get tazered. Every once in a while the run Citizens academy's where you can volunteer to get tazered. Everybody I know that has done it has said it was surprisingly strong. So such a thing is possible to arrange.
     
  10. Tybourn

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    Zzzzaaaapppp!

    I've been tased. (Ex-cop). Not fun. Be on padded floor, or mattress. HAve someone ELSE shoot you. They can shut it off if really bad reaction.

    Not fun, not horrible. Masochistic? Probably. Legitimate, yeah.

    Have a blast "Riding the lightning"

    Tybourn
     
  11. Preacherman

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    Sounds like a shocking idea.

    Watt are you thinking of?

    On the other hand, if you do it, let's film it for current affairs.

    :evil: :neener:
     
  12. doofus

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    Maybe it's just me, but I don't need to have a first-hand experience with pepper-spray, a taser, a baton or a gun to realize that it's probably gonna hurt. Nevermind the fact that tasers can leave permanent damage.
     
  13. Roccobro

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    Besides contact marks, what else? Of all the LEO's, in all the departments over the last few years who have volunteered to take the ride , I've yet to read about one ending badly with "permanent damage".

    I'd love to hear about the cons. And I'm not talking about a crook taking one to the eye, nose or nuts because they were fighting arrest. Fly fishing can have the same negative effects. :D

    Justin
     
  14. kingpin008

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    Let's not forget that you're passing a sizeable amount of electricity through your body when you're hit with one. It may be volts rather than amps, but it could conceiveably be a very, very nasty way to suddenly find out that you have a previously-undiagnosed heart condition.

    Not to mention the possibility of severe muscle strain, which depending on the size of the shockee and the duration of the shock could be bad enough to really leave long-term damage.
     
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    @Roccobro

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    I didn't feel like Googling for anything more, but they're out there. A Taser is designed to quickly incapacitate an attacker with a hefty jolt of electricity...of course there's a potential for permanent damage.
     
  16. never_retreat

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    If the doesn’t do it you could play with a neon sign transformer.
    My son did that at a restaurant when he was 15. 
    The spark jumped over an inch, burnt the hair off of a 1/2" circle on his arm 
    and left a bloodless pin sized hole into his arm at the center of the circle!
    I was being facetious when I said that. I'm an electrician by trade and have been zapped more times then I would like. High voltage electricity can cause heart Arrhythmias and a trip to an EKG machine and or a defibrillator. Or in the case of a friend of mine blow off some fingers.
    I personally don't think cops should be given tazzers. If there a threat shoot them, if they’re not just club them.
     
  17. trfcrugby

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    Dude, I would not do it. Just take my word for it, it works very well. I took three rides in one day as part of a demo, and it threw my back out so bad that I was not able to workout or anything for two months. There are risks involved, including fractured vertebrae. Had I know this beforehand, I would not have volunteered for it.
     
  18. don_hamer

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    If it were me, then I would look up all of the studies first and read those. If that doesn't satisfy you, then do it, but make sure someone else is around to help you with your injuries. Also, look up what injuries you might have and have supplies ready.
     
  19. Roccobro

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    http://www.policemag.com/News/2007/06/20/50th-Product-Liability-Lawsuit-Dismissed-Against-TASER.aspx

    Justin
     
  20. NCLivingBrit

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    I volunteered to get jabbed with one of those 30Kv "stun guns" that are everywhere, back home when they first came out (just before they got banned).

    If a tazer is even close (and reports say it is much worse) trust me, unless your goblin is ripped on some lethal cocktail of stimulants, they aren't going to just ignore the jolt. There's something very unpleasant about a total inability to make your limbs go where you want them to that is much worse (to me) than the pain thing.

    Took me 30, 40 seconds before I could even see straight and breathe right, let alone hop up and proceed to pummel anyone more dangerous than Elmo from Sesame St. But hey, if you want to try why would I stop you. It's certainly a good method of learning to comply with LEO requests, because once you get zapped once you rarely want to repeat it.
     
  21. zinj

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    TASER has paid several out of court settlements. Anything that causes uncontrolled muscle spasms has risks.
     
  22. FRIsteve

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    First - to be precise, the Air Taser is the VERY out-dated, pain compliance device that used to be sold. What we have today is a completely different animal. The X26 (and prior to that the M18 and M26) do not work on pain compliance - trust me - I've taken more than several hits and continue to do so (I am convinced that I can beat it - no luck yet, but still trying <g>). I'm not sure where the OP is located, but I'm sure that we get somewhere close where we could meet up and give you a ride.
     
  23. sparky2726

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    I have experienced the Ultron II, and the ICE shield. To me, they are not painful at all, but are VERY effective fight stoppers. Hard to fight when you have little control of your voluntary muscles.

    They would not let us ride the REACT belt in the academy, but I would given the chance.

    Sparky
     
  24. Dravur

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    Things not to do today...

    Go swimming with sharks while wrapped in bacon.....
    Punch Chuck Norris in the groin...
    jump in a pool filled with live badgers....
    Volunteer to get Tasered....
    become the Bikini Stress tester at the Swedish Bikini School for Wayward Women...

    Ok, that last one, I MIGHT do...
     
  25. canopy2k

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    Yeah, been there done that...

    Thought I could fight it. Took the probes to the back, not taped, but shot. You will notice we were out in the desert, so took caution to place a blanket in front of me so if I fell, it would be on that. Some guys were standing in front and to the sides to catch me. Unfortunately, I went over backwards. Like a rock. Knocked myself clean out. I think I fell backwards because I tried to turn to pull the barbs out or something.

    Those freakin things work....

    Heres a small gif, not great quality to protect identities....

    DSWMV05-new-1.gif
     
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