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Shooting through closed doors pays off...

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Sindawe, Oct 10, 2006.

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  1. Sindawe

    Sindawe Member

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    for one teenager in Texas.
    One less sorry waste of food and air cluttering up the planet.
     
  2. robert garner

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    Buy that kid a ceegar!

    I love a happy ending!
    When it's time to shoot,shoot,don't talk.
    Tuco
     
  3. Hanzo581

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    fantastic, I am sure they would have been in trouble if they had to wait for the police to show up.

    Cut out the middle man, I always say :neener:
     
  4. Carl N. Brown

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    Would a "reasonable person" be in fear of imminent death or greivous
    bodily harm in those circumstances? Given the available facts, I would
    say yes. I would also say the assailant had the duty to retreat.

    This is not even remotely as cloudy as that AZ dog walker situation.

    The kid is going to have to live with the nightmare of his mother
    and him threatened with death, and having to kill the threat. As
    claer and "righteous" as this shooting appears to be, something like
    this is a heavy burden to bear.
     
  5. Crosshair

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    I think that boy is gona get his own gun for christmas.:D Sucks that he had to take a life, but totaly justified.
     
  6. High Planes Drifter

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    That youngster has a vary heavy burden to carry around from now on. That kid became a man that day, in my book anyway.
     
  7. SoCalShooter

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    That's for me to know and not you!
    Thats a great ending. Unfortunate for the child that he has to bear the fact that he ended a life but he has the solice of knowing he was protecting his mother and himself and knowing that he may have prevented this purp from doing the same thing to someone else.
     
  8. Gewehr98

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    No cigar.

    He did the right thing, but the cigar money would best be spent on counseling, he's got that particular burden on his conscience the rest of his life, and the questions about the incident won't stop until long afterwards.
     
  9. buzz_knox

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    Maybe he will have issues, maybe not. Not everyone is affected that way, particularly when it comes to stopping someone clearly bent on harming you and your mother. I'd say it's equally as likely that the events leading up to the shooting will be more traumatic. That is, unless everyone tells him how terrible he should feel about doing this. All too often, a shooter's reaction is caused more by society's reaction to their act of self-defense than it is from the act itself.
     
  10. Eyesac

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    That warms my heart. Again, bad guy stopped, good guy at home with family. Great story.
     
  11. Otherguy Overby

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    Guilt

    Seriously, why should people feel guilt for killing a miscreant? They performed a "civic duty." How is this different than applying the liberal "social contract" rule?

    We aren't talking about murdering "humans" here...
     
  12. razorburn

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    Sometimes you just feel the way you feel. He shouldn't have to feel anything about it, but he probably does because he's human, and it's a significant thing to kill someone else. And the social contract isn't some liberal thing, it's a philosophical theory on the development of civilization, I'm not sure what it really has to do with this conversation or why you brought it up.
     
  13. DogBonz

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    They shouldn't

    But there is something about taking a human life, no matter how justified, that leaves some, if not most people traumatized. I know a few police officers who walk a pretty tough beat. Three of them have killed people in the line of duty. These were all clear cut, clean shoots. One of them has no problem at all with what he has done; the other two have frequent nightmares and required a lot of counseling before they could return to work. I think that we all talk a good game, but you never know how you will react of feel in the aftermath.
     
  14. Low-Sci

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    Seems to me that one should address the issue of possible mental trauma when it arises. This kid did a fantastic thing under an enormous amount of stress and he was absolutely in the right when he did it.

    Protecting one's family should be considered a right and normal action. To that end, I think this kid should be treated right and normally for his actions. Pushing him into therapy when he doesn't really need it would only serve to make him think that he'd done something wrong and it would slap some sort of mental illness label on him (if the therapist doesn't, insurance won't pay him).

    This kid should be rewarded for a right and frankly heroic action. And if he looks like he needs therapy, then offer it. Until he does, leave the psychiatrists out of it.
     
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    OIC, the "social contract" has nothing to do with self defense. This youngin' should have first considered this before shooting someone who was a deadly threat to his mother and himself...

    Pardon me while I :barf:
     
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    Good job kid.

    I had a debate on this board a few months ago when a kid stabbed someone to death trying to save his family and then pretty much watched the dude expire... That is heavy. Kid most likely will have nightmares for a long time...

    I do not think that the kid will be over burdened with guilt. In this instance, the kid was detained, got away, got a weapon, shot through a door. There is an element of God in this. He could have missed, as shooting through a door is iffy... But he didn't... That element of fate / providence is what will make the difference.

    kid needs attention, don't get me wrong. The person that will need counseling is his old man...

    Edit -

    I am also betting it was a .357 mag that pop had.... Any one else have ideas?
     
  17. Autolycus

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    All the people who are happy about some kid killing someone probably have never killed anyone before.
     
  18. Double Naught Spy

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    What? The BG assaulted with woman, did a home invasion, tied up her son and herself, and apparently after freeing themselves and barricading themselves in a room, he threatened to kill them and you think he had a duty to retreat? Bad guys don't have duties. He didn't have a duty to retreat because he didn't have right to be in the home and committing felonies.


    Probably not, but I would hazard that they aren't so much happy about the kid killing the guy as they are about the kid rising to the occasion when the fit has hit the shan and dealing effectively with a threat that had already demonstrated aggressive behavior toward his mother and him. It is just a benefit that the perp died as a result of his felony acts of aggression, meaning that he will never be a blight on society again, not having done horrible things to the mother and kid, and he won't get out of jail and be able to visit them in the future either.

    Mentally traumatized and physically healthy with no chance of the guy returning is better than being mentally and physically dead or everyone alive and the perp still on the loose and the good guys having been mentally traumatized because the bad guy took away any sense of security they had as they could do nothing and did do nothing. Instead, the future looks much better now than when the perp was banging on the door.

    Logically, they should not. That is the problem with emotions. They are not logical. People often feel guilty for doing the right thing when it is something they would prefer not to have done.

    What??? You mean his mother, right? His old man wasn't even there and didn't suffer the event.
     
  19. Sindawe

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    Duties to retreat.

    Folks, unless I'm mistaken I think Carl N. Brown was referring to the assailant who is now at room temperature, not the kid who had to help the assailant reach that temperature.
     
  20. Art Eatman

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    When a post upsets somebody, it's probably not a bad idea to re-read it a couple or more times. Make sure you're understanding what the writer is intending. It's sorta like a conversation when somebody's tongue gets wrapped around an eyetooth and they can't see what they're saying.

    Saves thrash and hassle in a thread...

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  21. Gewehr98

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    Exactly.

    Once again, I'm reminded that we've got an abundance of stone-cold shootists here on THR, hiding behind internet handles. It reminds me of those who parrot the "If he's in my house, he's dead" argument regarding the new Castle Doctrine laws. Hollywood aside, some of us still place a value on human life, and it very well could invoke soul-searching even after a defensible shooting.

    Note that I didn't say our young hero was horribly effected by the shooting. I said that money or resources should be set aside for potential counseling, if he needs it - not unlike the chaplains and psychologists available for me in my own sheriff's department were I to drop a bad guy in his tracks and need to talk to somebody about it.

    I bet dollars to donuts that not everybody is as stoic as internet personas on gun forums, and considering the events leading up to that defensive shooting, he may very well have trouble sleeping at night for a while. Then again, he and Mom may sell the movie rights...


    BTW, Medula Oblongata, Carl N. Brown (libtard?) was referring to the bad guy's duty to retreat. Nice big bold colors, though! Now, would you care to apologize to him in those same big bold colors? :scrutiny:
     
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    "If we had passed the child trigger lock provision, those guns would not be used..."

    Thank you, Mr Clinton. Take a bow.
     
  23. Standing Wolf

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    I'll bet that criminal won't try that again very soon.
     
  24. The Deer Hunter

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    I dont understand why anybody would feel bad about killing said criminal.
     
  25. Don't Tread On Me

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    THANK YOU VERY MUCH!


    This *AGAIN* proves that penetration is a BENEFIT, not a Liability!!!!!! I've been preaching that for a while.


    Also, see this link from the past:


    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/8287436/detail.html




    The "penetration" worrywarts are spreading dangerous misinformation and myths. They are endangering many gunowners who contemplate home defense strategies by putting a huge over-emphasis on over-penetration dangers to bystanders. This ultimately influences a lot of people to use highly inferior varmint .223 bullets...



    I'll stick with my 7.62x39mm thank you very much...
     
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