Shooting to defend four legged friends
- Thread starter jgooderh
- Start date
- Status
cassandrasdaddy
Member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2006
- Messages
- 4,206
seems ohio isn't one of the favored states
Same old story.
I can't tell you how many times that I've had people come on OUR land and then try to quote the "law" to us as to why they are allowed to be there.
We had one guy who TRIED to use the fact that deer are the property of the state as a statement of right that he trespass and poach on us.
By his logic, since the deer were state property, he was allowed to go whereever those deer went.
Sadly, the upheld charges against him didn't even change his mind. We had to have him hauled off until the day he died.
And then those dog hunters who will tell you that they can't control where the dog runs-- except for the fact that they set them out 500 yards from your land in a narrow passage, and then waited on a public road a mile on the other side of your land to see what got run out of your land.
Trying to talk to them didn't work. Even stating that I would have to involve the Game Wardens didn't stop them. Suggesting that I could not be responsible for the safety of the dogs didn't stop them.
This ended when they started finding the collars hanging on a stop sign out on the highway.
But you know...
If someone came to my house saying their dog accidently ran onto my land or if they shot an animal that ran onto our land, I'd drop what I was doing to go help them.
Asking goes a long way. I'd think that it would be common courtesy to do so even in a state that allows retrieval of dogs and animals.
But I can't stand ANYONE that things they are entitled to come on my property for anything without asking.
I even give hard looks at the guy that reads my meter. (joking-- he's a cousin of mine)
-- John
cassandrasdaddy
Member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2006
- Messages
- 4,206
i live in va and my hound when she got loose would trespass on my neighbors 110 acre vacant farm. we got into a heated discussion about my right to retrieve her one day when he happened to be there.(absentee owner)he was adamant that i couldn't trespass so i didn't. son of a gun 1/2 hour later he brought the dog home for me. 6 months later i sent him video of the guys riding atv's on his hayfield. and video of them loading em on their truck. we get along great now.
cassandrasdaddy
Member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2006
- Messages
- 4,206
i found out that he was upset cause the empty house had been broken into. and as hard for me to believe he was a worse dog nut than me. i try to remember when folks seem to go off that they might have , what seems to them anyway, a good reason. we got to be pretty good neighbors after the rough beginning. i guess i coulda called the cops and tried to make my point but he was about 20 years older than me and the japanese in me kicked in . i defered to my elder. bet my dad wished i learned that trick earlier
King Ghidora,
I'll have to get back to you this afternoon on your post. I have to leave for work in a few.
I don't know. You may be right. I'll have to look a bit more.
But I do what say one thing....
When I asked you for a cite, you could have posted those links from the get-go and saved all of us a lot of trouble. Instead, you did EXACTLY what you accuse others of: claiming to be an expert on your good word.
I'll open them and read them when I get home today.
-- John
I'll have to get back to you this afternoon on your post. I have to leave for work in a few.
I don't know. You may be right. I'll have to look a bit more.
But I do what say one thing....
When I asked you for a cite, you could have posted those links from the get-go and saved all of us a lot of trouble. Instead, you did EXACTLY what you accuse others of: claiming to be an expert on your good word.
I'll open them and read them when I get home today.
-- John
Harve Curry
Member
WARNING! Wolves Are A Protected Species
(This text is from page 13 of the 2009-2010 NMG&F hunting reg's.)
WARNING!
Wolves Are A Protected Species
Parts of New Mexico are within the Mexican Wolf
Restoration Area. Wolves are protected by the federal
Endangered Species Act and by the New Mexico
Wildlife Conservation Act. Shooting a wolf could cost
you up to a year in jail and as much as $50,000 as well
as additional penalties under state law for violating the
Endangered Species Act .
A combination of federal and state agencies
and conservation organizations offer rewards
totaling up to $45,000 for information leading
to the arrest and prosecution of wolf poachers.
You MAY NOT legally:
• Kill or injure a wolf because it is near you or your
property.
• Kill or injure a wolf if it attacks your pet.
• Kill or injure a wolf feeding on dead livestock.
• Enter posted closures around release pens, active
dens and rendezvous sites.
• Shoot a wolf because you thought it was a coyote or
anything else.
You MAY legally:
• Harass a wolf without injuring it, provided you report
it within seven days.
• Kill or injure a wolf if it is in the act of killing,
wounding or biting your cattle, sheep, horses, mules
or burros on private or tribal land, but you must
report it within 24 hours.
• Kill, injure or harass a wolf in defense of human life,
but you must report it within 24 hours.
For more information about Mexican wolves or the
Wolf Recovery Program, contact the Department’s
Conservation Services Division at (505) 476-8101, or
visit the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s Mexican wolf
Web site at: http://ifw2es.fws.gov/mexicanwolf
(This text is from page 13 of the 2009-2010 NMG&F hunting reg's.)
WARNING!
Wolves Are A Protected Species
Parts of New Mexico are within the Mexican Wolf
Restoration Area. Wolves are protected by the federal
Endangered Species Act and by the New Mexico
Wildlife Conservation Act. Shooting a wolf could cost
you up to a year in jail and as much as $50,000 as well
as additional penalties under state law for violating the
Endangered Species Act .
A combination of federal and state agencies
and conservation organizations offer rewards
totaling up to $45,000 for information leading
to the arrest and prosecution of wolf poachers.
You MAY NOT legally:
• Kill or injure a wolf because it is near you or your
property.
• Kill or injure a wolf if it attacks your pet.
• Kill or injure a wolf feeding on dead livestock.
• Enter posted closures around release pens, active
dens and rendezvous sites.
• Shoot a wolf because you thought it was a coyote or
anything else.
You MAY legally:
• Harass a wolf without injuring it, provided you report
it within seven days.
• Kill or injure a wolf if it is in the act of killing,
wounding or biting your cattle, sheep, horses, mules
or burros on private or tribal land, but you must
report it within 24 hours.
• Kill, injure or harass a wolf in defense of human life,
but you must report it within 24 hours.
For more information about Mexican wolves or the
Wolf Recovery Program, contact the Department’s
Conservation Services Division at (505) 476-8101, or
visit the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s Mexican wolf
Web site at: http://ifw2es.fws.gov/mexicanwolf
If a wolf attacks my pet, it's going to die. If they ask me anything about it..."It attacked me, I swear!!! I thought I was going to die, good thing I had ol' Betsy (my double barrel 12guage) with me, or I might not be here to tell you about it..."
EHL said:
If ANY animal attacks your pet that is what you say. The pet being their SAVED YOU, the animal was coming after YOU, that doesn't normally happen it must have been RABID...
Hope none of us ever have to use that strategy though.
Actually, call your lawyer first, don't speak to the cops...
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
member
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2007
- Messages
- 13,146
from other animals? Yes, of course - no fine line there for me, at all.
From humans? That's where you're getting into more muddled legal and ethical territory. Furry pets are considered property by the law, not life worth being protected, so I guess in TX you could defend your furries against human attackers, but in other states you'd be in deep doo doo, in all likelihood - doesn't mean I wouldn't do it, because I would, but I'd understand the law is against me and what the consequences are.
From humans? That's where you're getting into more muddled legal and ethical territory. Furry pets are considered property by the law, not life worth being protected, so I guess in TX you could defend your furries against human attackers, but in other states you'd be in deep doo doo, in all likelihood - doesn't mean I wouldn't do it, because I would, but I'd understand the law is against me and what the consequences are.
OK... update.
I've done some searching on the laws regarding retrieval of hunting dogs off of private property.
Sadly enough, there simply IS NO consolidated list of states that have provisions that I have been able to discover.
It seems that the only way to review each state's provisions is to literally search each and every state in the USA. I don't have that kind of time or resources.
Because of this, my refute to King Ghidora remains incomplete.
HOWEVER, I can say this...
I have found NO evidence that "Most states allow for retrieval of hunting dogs without prior contacting of the landowner."
Moreover, it seems that the links regarding VA laws are about a group of landowners that is trying to stop this practice.
But it remains that King Ghidora will have his claims unchallenged.
I will take my solace in this:
Mississippi (my state) DOES NOT allow for retreival of hunting dogs off of private property.
So if you have one of those "$10K" coon dogs, it is a REAL good idea NOT to run it through this "whiny land owner's" property.
After seeing the attitudes regarding this on this board and the other sites that I've read to answer this thread, where I would have normally shown compassion and understanding, I will now follow the letter of the law and show absolutely NO quarter. The overwhelming sense of entitlement and lack of willingness to contact the landowners as a gesture of good will is disturbing.
So I leave this thread with this thought....
"Check your local laws regarding this. I can't say that King Ghidora is right or wrong-- only that he is either wrong about MY state, or has never hunted here.
Make sure you know about your state.
-- John
I've done some searching on the laws regarding retrieval of hunting dogs off of private property.
Sadly enough, there simply IS NO consolidated list of states that have provisions that I have been able to discover.
It seems that the only way to review each state's provisions is to literally search each and every state in the USA. I don't have that kind of time or resources.
Because of this, my refute to King Ghidora remains incomplete.
HOWEVER, I can say this...
I have found NO evidence that "Most states allow for retrieval of hunting dogs without prior contacting of the landowner."
Moreover, it seems that the links regarding VA laws are about a group of landowners that is trying to stop this practice.
But it remains that King Ghidora will have his claims unchallenged.
I will take my solace in this:
Mississippi (my state) DOES NOT allow for retreival of hunting dogs off of private property.
So if you have one of those "$10K" coon dogs, it is a REAL good idea NOT to run it through this "whiny land owner's" property.
After seeing the attitudes regarding this on this board and the other sites that I've read to answer this thread, where I would have normally shown compassion and understanding, I will now follow the letter of the law and show absolutely NO quarter. The overwhelming sense of entitlement and lack of willingness to contact the landowners as a gesture of good will is disturbing.
So I leave this thread with this thought....
"Check your local laws regarding this. I can't say that King Ghidora is right or wrong-- only that he is either wrong about MY state, or has never hunted here.
Make sure you know about your state.
-- John
WVMountainBoy
Member
I live outside the city and it is illegal to discharge a firearm with in city limits in almost all the cities in this valley. However the state law actually states 200 yds from a residence or 500 yds of a church or school. Outside of the cities this is very seldom enforced due to the rural nature of WV. While I don't know the specific laws, I can guess with good accuracy that you'd be very hard pressed to get a LEO to pursue any charges over popping a 'yote that was on the attack as long as you made a good shot on it (good shot means that you took into consideration the back drop of the shot and didn't have any risk of hitting a home,school, person, or other collateral damage)
WVMountainBoy
Member
I don't actually know if dogs are more resistant to snake bites but I know a little about snakes. Most defensive strikes are "dry" bites. Snakes need venom for hunting, they don't want to "waste" their ammo. A copperhead is a pit viper and has fairly weak venom. I would guess that a small dog that was struck several times and showed NO effects however was probably being "dry" struck. As for one on one battles with dogs versus coyote...I'd say any healthy dog over 50 lbs would cause most single 'yotes to tuck tail. To them its about survival, not bragging rights. Even if they could, they normally wouldn't and there is no accounting for rabid animals. A pack of coyotes is a different question...they do like 4+ to 1 odds. Even if a dog is a A+ fighter his odds fall like a stone even at 2 to 1. I have an Aussie Shepard puppy now, and there are coyotes around. He stays in the house unless accompanied, if a coyote sniffs around this yard, it has little time left in this realm of existence.
SweetKnuckles
Member
- Joined
- Jan 26, 2009
- Messages
- 63
Hi, I'm new...good thread.
I think we've established that snakebites affect dogs differently, but in my case I had a pretty stout dog that was LITERALLY a micron away from death. WVMtn boy has a point with snakes saving their venom for killing...unfortunately, my pooch got emptied into...center of mass.
Last Feb., my at the time 65 lb 2 y.o. German Shorthair of mine got bitten by a 3.5 foot Diamondback.
On leash 10 feet away, dog got hit... I immediately checked him for puncture marks on legs, face, chest...none found so I thought he might have beat the odds.
5 minutes = limping, 15 minutes he had collapsed to his side.
Was at the vet w/in 45 minutes of the bite and spent the $3200 for the full meal deal with antivenin, etc.
Dog was fair on the first night, but declined progressively the next 2 days -- at death's door is not used figuratively
He was not ambulatory for 10 full days
I gave him water from a squeeze bottle while he laid on his side and he could barely keep balance when I lifted him outside to squirt
I hope nobody ever has to go through that, and I felt like the WORST guardian ever ... I don't hunt him specifically because I did not want him facing cholla cactus and snakes in the desert. He has since been 'snake trained' which I recommend, but I don't know if 1x/yr refreshers will really break him of his prey drive. Wish I could help reinforce the training with some snake scent and a rubber snake.
Anyway, here are the pics: *tried to reduce them yet still leave some resolution...couldn't figure out how to make them thumbnails.
2nd Night
Day 14
Bandages/Stitches not an option since it needed air per vet
Rinsed with hose 2x/day then slathered with neosporin
Day 22
All healed now...he's back to 69 pounds, but with a GNARLY scar..that open area didn't grow in like sod...rather, the fur-covered skin puckered itself together to heal. BTW for the uninitiated...the antivenin is actually blood serum from a horse that has been bitten by that type of snake and not died. The problem is, many dogs can die just from the reaction of having horse serum put in their system...mine didn't reject the serum, and although I wouldn't change his treatment steps, from what I've read and now experienced, antivenin treatment is of dubious efficacy anyway. In the moment you see things declining so quickly, you just want to throw money at the situation even if you had just been laid off and money is beyond tight.
** Oh, and to the OPs question...in my case this was nanoseconds. Despite having my carry with me, it was inappropriate to discharge a weapon, as we were on a trail system in a housing development, but I would have fired after the fact had we not been within 80 yards of 200 homes. I have played this out in my head, and there is no implement I could have had that would have avoided this situation. Snake training beforehand? Sure. More situational awareness? Sure...but he was 10 ft away from me, I was engaged with him and it was February. Too many thoughts were racing through my mind afterwards, that I didn't spend much time trying to kill the snake. I snapped a picture of it however to back me up at the vets that it was in fact a western dback.
I think we've established that snakebites affect dogs differently, but in my case I had a pretty stout dog that was LITERALLY a micron away from death. WVMtn boy has a point with snakes saving their venom for killing...unfortunately, my pooch got emptied into...center of mass.
Last Feb., my at the time 65 lb 2 y.o. German Shorthair of mine got bitten by a 3.5 foot Diamondback.
On leash 10 feet away, dog got hit... I immediately checked him for puncture marks on legs, face, chest...none found so I thought he might have beat the odds.
5 minutes = limping, 15 minutes he had collapsed to his side.
Was at the vet w/in 45 minutes of the bite and spent the $3200 for the full meal deal with antivenin, etc.
Dog was fair on the first night, but declined progressively the next 2 days -- at death's door is not used figuratively
He was not ambulatory for 10 full days
I gave him water from a squeeze bottle while he laid on his side and he could barely keep balance when I lifted him outside to squirt
I hope nobody ever has to go through that, and I felt like the WORST guardian ever ... I don't hunt him specifically because I did not want him facing cholla cactus and snakes in the desert. He has since been 'snake trained' which I recommend, but I don't know if 1x/yr refreshers will really break him of his prey drive. Wish I could help reinforce the training with some snake scent and a rubber snake.
Anyway, here are the pics: *tried to reduce them yet still leave some resolution...couldn't figure out how to make them thumbnails.
2nd Night
Day 14
Bandages/Stitches not an option since it needed air per vet
Rinsed with hose 2x/day then slathered with neosporin
Day 22
All healed now...he's back to 69 pounds, but with a GNARLY scar..that open area didn't grow in like sod...rather, the fur-covered skin puckered itself together to heal. BTW for the uninitiated...the antivenin is actually blood serum from a horse that has been bitten by that type of snake and not died. The problem is, many dogs can die just from the reaction of having horse serum put in their system...mine didn't reject the serum, and although I wouldn't change his treatment steps, from what I've read and now experienced, antivenin treatment is of dubious efficacy anyway. In the moment you see things declining so quickly, you just want to throw money at the situation even if you had just been laid off and money is beyond tight.
** Oh, and to the OPs question...in my case this was nanoseconds. Despite having my carry with me, it was inappropriate to discharge a weapon, as we were on a trail system in a housing development, but I would have fired after the fact had we not been within 80 yards of 200 homes. I have played this out in my head, and there is no implement I could have had that would have avoided this situation. Snake training beforehand? Sure. More situational awareness? Sure...but he was 10 ft away from me, I was engaged with him and it was February. Too many thoughts were racing through my mind afterwards, that I didn't spend much time trying to kill the snake. I snapped a picture of it however to back me up at the vets that it was in fact a western dback.
BrianMDowns
Member
Yeah, definitely glad your dog made it, man.
And I wouldn't hesitate to shoot anything that would be attacking my dogs. In Ohio, there is no closed season on coyotes. And no limits. And I carry one of my weapons always when I'm walking through the woods with the dogs and/or family. There have been alot of coyotes around where I'm from. Better safe then sorry.
And I wouldn't hesitate to shoot anything that would be attacking my dogs. In Ohio, there is no closed season on coyotes. And no limits. And I carry one of my weapons always when I'm walking through the woods with the dogs and/or family. There have been alot of coyotes around where I'm from. Better safe then sorry.
SweetKnuckles
Member
- Joined
- Jan 26, 2009
- Messages
- 63
Oh, nursing him back to health was a foregone conclusion...you know the drill "If I die having been half the man my dog thinks I am, my life's purpose has been met".
I tossed a couple 7 or 8 inch rocks on the snake, but with no immediate effect. Plus, with the dog amped up over the rattling, I was debating in my head whether we had an emergency on our hands (which we did) or just a good campfire story, and then I thought about the fact that I had no health insurance after my cobra ran out, so I thought it wiser not to get Punk'D by him or his friends and and up spending another 14k on my own wounds.
Agreed, I do wish I could have kilt it though
I tossed a couple 7 or 8 inch rocks on the snake, but with no immediate effect. Plus, with the dog amped up over the rattling, I was debating in my head whether we had an emergency on our hands (which we did) or just a good campfire story, and then I thought about the fact that I had no health insurance after my cobra ran out, so I thought it wiser not to get Punk'D by him or his friends and and up spending another 14k on my own wounds.
Agreed, I do wish I could have kilt it though
Part of the reason that the apparent response to snakebite is so varied has nothing to do with a particular animal's sensitivity to venom.
There is evidence to suggest that venomous snakes have some control over how much (if any) venom they inject. Furthermore, a snake may not have a full load of venom if they have recently bitten something else.
This is one reason that it is now common to find that aggressive first aid for snakebites (cutting/sucking/torniquets/etc.) is not recommended. It turned out that many snakebites were just puncture wounds with little or no venom injected and people were being seriously injured by the first aid procedures.
There is evidence to suggest that venomous snakes have some control over how much (if any) venom they inject. Furthermore, a snake may not have a full load of venom if they have recently bitten something else.
This is one reason that it is now common to find that aggressive first aid for snakebites (cutting/sucking/torniquets/etc.) is not recommended. It turned out that many snakebites were just puncture wounds with little or no venom injected and people were being seriously injured by the first aid procedures.
Last edited:
ACBMWM3
member
A racoon tried to attack my dog one time, although i know my dog can perfectly well defend himself (177lb 5% German Shepard,95% Grey Wolf) I didnt want him to get a disease if he was bit or scratched so i had to put the racoon down. I carry a 40 S&W allways n thats what I used, cops showed up asking what happend told them what happend, showed them the racoon n they left.
King Ghidora wrote:
A lot of the presumptions that you make regarding my understanding of this topic may well be altered when I tell you that I lived in a river-lowland forest in the middle of our hunting land.
I don't have neighbors.
It's 6:35 AM and I just walked on my porch and saw that I have 9 deer in my yard right now. My main deer stand is 200 yards from my house.
I'd rather not continue posting on this thread since what we are talking about would probably be more suited for a thread in the hunting section, but I will make this last post on this thread and invite you to continue this in the Hunting Forum.
However, let me say this....
You are absolutely correct that people have lost respect for one another. But I think you REALLY leave those "whiny" landowners out of the equation.
Over the years, we have had dozens of poachers and other people abuse our land. I've seen hundreds of spent red shotgun shell hulls floating on our lake because some jack-legs decided that we wouldn't mind them duck hunting on us.
Just a few weeks ago, I posted a thread in S&T about finding a man IN my deer stand behind my house. I had to have him arrested.
My father has experienced the same with his deer stands twice.
I've found several "gut piles" where poachers have killed and dressed deer on our land.
I've had hunting dogs run deer out of my deer food plots while *I* was hunting. Why is YOUR hunting a greater thing than MINE?-- especially when I am minding my own business on MY land? Granted, you are a coon hunter-- and those dogs run when I am not hunting. You may not be able to relate.
When we posted our land in the late 70's, we started getting harrassment, threats, and even dead animals put in our mailbox and on our gates-- by those people who felt that they had right to OUR land.
I just sent off over $5,000 in property taxes this year. I think I have say as to who is on my land. As of now, my state supports this.
But really, I'd have no problems with someone like you retrieving your dogs on our land. As you have mentioned, coon hunting is VERY different than what I've put up with.
But I want to ask you this...
Do you bring your gun on other people's land? If so, what would make me believe that you are not poaching or otherwise willfully hunting on my property without my permission? When you get to your dogs-- what do you do if they have a coon bayed? Do you shoot it? If so, you ARE poaching.
Whatever your views of coons are, I feed them in my yard. My wife likes them. I don't have a problem with them.
I DO know what they can do to crops-- I plant a 40 acre field every year with corn, watermelons, cucumbers, tomatoes, squash, peppers, peas, and butterbeans. Coons do as much damage as deer do around here-- which is why I have a 10 foot deer fence around the entire thing. Oddly enough, it keeps the coons out, too.
I leave you with this: You speak of those "whiny landowners." Have you ONCE considered what WE have to put up with from people that come on our land? And you are not the only one that has that attitude about landowners. With that attitude, do you REALLY think that we have ANY desire to go out of our way for you?
Respect goes both ways.
-- John
A lot of the presumptions that you make regarding my understanding of this topic may well be altered when I tell you that I lived in a river-lowland forest in the middle of our hunting land.
I don't have neighbors.
It's 6:35 AM and I just walked on my porch and saw that I have 9 deer in my yard right now. My main deer stand is 200 yards from my house.
I'd rather not continue posting on this thread since what we are talking about would probably be more suited for a thread in the hunting section, but I will make this last post on this thread and invite you to continue this in the Hunting Forum.
However, let me say this....
You are absolutely correct that people have lost respect for one another. But I think you REALLY leave those "whiny" landowners out of the equation.
Over the years, we have had dozens of poachers and other people abuse our land. I've seen hundreds of spent red shotgun shell hulls floating on our lake because some jack-legs decided that we wouldn't mind them duck hunting on us.
Just a few weeks ago, I posted a thread in S&T about finding a man IN my deer stand behind my house. I had to have him arrested.
My father has experienced the same with his deer stands twice.
I've found several "gut piles" where poachers have killed and dressed deer on our land.
I've had hunting dogs run deer out of my deer food plots while *I* was hunting. Why is YOUR hunting a greater thing than MINE?-- especially when I am minding my own business on MY land? Granted, you are a coon hunter-- and those dogs run when I am not hunting. You may not be able to relate.
When we posted our land in the late 70's, we started getting harrassment, threats, and even dead animals put in our mailbox and on our gates-- by those people who felt that they had right to OUR land.
I just sent off over $5,000 in property taxes this year. I think I have say as to who is on my land. As of now, my state supports this.
But really, I'd have no problems with someone like you retrieving your dogs on our land. As you have mentioned, coon hunting is VERY different than what I've put up with.
But I want to ask you this...
Do you bring your gun on other people's land? If so, what would make me believe that you are not poaching or otherwise willfully hunting on my property without my permission? When you get to your dogs-- what do you do if they have a coon bayed? Do you shoot it? If so, you ARE poaching.
Whatever your views of coons are, I feed them in my yard. My wife likes them. I don't have a problem with them.
I DO know what they can do to crops-- I plant a 40 acre field every year with corn, watermelons, cucumbers, tomatoes, squash, peppers, peas, and butterbeans. Coons do as much damage as deer do around here-- which is why I have a 10 foot deer fence around the entire thing. Oddly enough, it keeps the coons out, too.
I leave you with this: You speak of those "whiny landowners." Have you ONCE considered what WE have to put up with from people that come on our land? And you are not the only one that has that attitude about landowners. With that attitude, do you REALLY think that we have ANY desire to go out of our way for you?
Respect goes both ways.
-- John
cassandrasdaddy
Member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2006
- Messages
- 4,206
I found this web page that clearly describes a right to retreive law in Virginia. This clearly refutes the claim of the web site you cited
actually in my reading of the site jwarren used it said va did have right to retrieve and it does though its in real danger of losing it.
"I know what the law is here and what it was all through the country at one time. I've hunted from Kansas to Kentucky and the laws were always the same."
yea sure
actually in my reading of the site jwarren used it said va did have right to retrieve and it does though its in real danger of losing it.
"I know what the law is here and what it was all through the country at one time. I've hunted from Kansas to Kentucky and the laws were always the same."
yea sure
cassandrasdaddy
Member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2006
- Messages
- 4,206
god a pyrenees cross could be interesting. i would say it would take a brave male to try but i remember a friends pomeranian trying to mount my dobie mix. gotta admire spirit
- Status
