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Shootings that armed citizens HAVE stopped

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Bartholomew Roberts, Apr 16, 2007.

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  1. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Reference: Links where CHLs have stopped past mass shootings

    I just thought it might be handy to create a thread where we can posts links to news stories of armed citizens intervening to stop mass shootings (or perhaps the Killeen case where prohibition by law prevented an intervention)

    1. Luby's Killeen - Suzanna Gratia Hupp had a handgun; but had left it in the glovebox of her car in order to obey state laws prohibiting the carry of concealed weapons at the time. Both her parents were killed and this tragedy led to a change in the law.

    2. Pearl, MI - High school principal stops school shooting with a .45

    Anybody else have more?
     
  2. AndyC

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    St James Massacre - Kenilworth, Cape Town, South Africa

    During the Sunday evening service on 25 July 1993, a group of APLA cadres attacked the St James Church in Kenilworth. Using grenades and AK-47s, they killed 11 members of the congregation and wounded 58. A single churchgoer, Charl van Wyk, managed to return fire, wounding one of the attackers, and the attackers fled.
     
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    Mark Otis?

    Was that the name of the guy in Texas 2-3 years back who heard the shooting at the courthouse across the street, ran out of his apartment and engaged the shooter, died in the process, but was able to drive off the shooter?

    Michael
     
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    I don't remember details, but there was one at a college (law school?)where two students ran to their cars and got their weapons, which they should have had on them but werent allowed.
     
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    It was the Appalachain Law School. John Lott bashed the MSM about this as it is a classic example of their bias against guns. Most news articles say the students "confronted" or "tackled" the gunman. They neglect to mention that these students were armed.

    http://www.uwire.com/content/topops012402002.html
     
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    That's the one. I was even going to say it was "in the mountains somewhere.
     
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    A few weeks after the Luby's shooting, there was a similar incident at a Shoney's, in Alabama, I think.

    One patron had a gun, and as the diners were being led to the walk-in cooler, he shot one of the two gunmen. The other ran away.

    No masacre.
     
  9. Elza

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    That happened in Anniston, AL.

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  10. Rumpled

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    Not CHL, but wasn't the 1966 UT shooter in the tower engaged by other students who grabbed deer rifles out of trucks/cars as well as police?
     
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    Don't forget the recent shootings at the mall in SLC. The individual in that incident was far more heavily armed than this one, yet was stopped mid-rampage by an off-duty police officer with a snubby revolver.
     
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    Do a Google on Israel. This happens there ALL the time. Teachers, bus drivers, soccer moms, all carry UZI's.
     
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    It's difficult for a law-abiding citizen to use a firearm for defense when these criminals keep attacking victims by bringing guns into a "Gun-Free Zone".
    (Schools, shopping malls, workplaces)
     
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    Here's one from last week

    From the New Hampshire Union Leader:

    MANCHESTER – Bullets flew outside the Uptown Tavern early yesterday when a peeved patron began shooting at a doorman after being thrown out of the club. The shooter himself was shot twice by an armed customer who rushed to the bouncer's defense, a club owner and police said.

    The shooter had missed doorman Chad Ryan after firing about four shots at him in the 1301 Elm St. club's parking lot when the alleged gunman was himself hit twice by the unidentified patron who returned fire about 12:45 a.m., said club co-owner Dave Somers.

    An armed citizen does more in the span of ten seconds to get a violent criminal off the streets than all of Boston Mayor Tom Menino's gun buybacks, task forces, and bigoted gun licensing policies, combined.

    I'm shocked.

    The wounded suspect, identified by police as Eliezer Encarnacion, 26, and his companion -- both of whom were thrown out of the club moments earlier -- ran from the parking lot up Myrtle Street with an angry group of club patrons in pursuit.

    Well, I'll be damned. Wearing running shoes might just be a good idea, after all.

    Encarnacion was about six to eight feet from Ryan when he fired the first shot, hitting the door frame, Willard said. When the second shot rang out, a male customer inside the bar realized what was happening and intervened, he continued.

    "He feels the bouncer's life is in danger and he produces his own firearm and proceeds to return fire," said [Det. Lt. Nick] Willard, who credited the patron with saving the doorman and possibly even Brown from being shot.

    Or, he could have ducked behind a table and called 911, as called out in Chapter 1 of the "Self Defense for Liberals Handbook". Sure, innocent people would be killed before he hit the "9", but at least the coroner's office could get a headstart on sending a clean-up crew to the scene.

    Police withheld the patron's name while they continue their investigation, which will include an inquiry into whether his use of deadly force was justified.

    Club employees were not aware the customer -- described as a regular patron -- was carrying a concealed weapon, Somers said.

    That's pretty much the whole point of it. Hence, the phrase "concealed weapon".

    "I'm not okaying it. But if he didn't, probably my doorman would be dead," Somers said.

    A small price to pay, in the eyes of the Ted Kennedy's of the world, to realize their dream of transforming the greatest nation on earth into a totalitarian police state, where only those in high positions of power will enjoy the right to have their lives defended by the use of firearms.
     
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    Mark Wilson
    http://johnrlott.tripod.com/2005/02/concealed-handgum-permit-holders.html

     
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    The problem is a lot of things were stopped early on, before they ever became "mass shootings" so they don't garner much attention.
     
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    The problem is a lot of things were stopped early on, before they ever became "mass shootings" so they don't garner much attention.

    As mentioned in the Ann Coulter article above on the incident in Alabama:

     
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    I have heard mention in several threads that there have been school shootings, and a recent mall shooting that were stopped my armed citizens or off duty police officers. Could we make a quick compilation of them? I think it's important to have information showing that it CAN be done, and has been done.
     
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    Here's a more in-depth analysis of the 2002 Appalachian Law School shootings: http://johnrlott.tripod.com/apla2.html
    I also seem to remember a school shooting where the principal (using a CCWed 1911) stopped it in progress, but I can't find it now.
     
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    Joel Myrick, Pearl Mississippi.

    Off duty Officer Hammond, Trolley Square, Salt Lake City

    And there are a slew of shootings, where the badguy was shot in the first few minutes, that very may well have turned into high body count media freakfests, but since the badguy got shot before the body count grew, no media coverage.
     
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