Shootout (History Channel Show)

[thereisnospoon]

...is officially my new favorite show on television.

Tonight Iraqi double-header, but even the stories they do about WWII, etc are very informative and entertaining.

 

[Lambo]

I watched! Its great! Tells the real story!

 

[DevLcL]

Watching it right now. Would have missed it if you didnt post. Thanks!!!

 

[johnmcl]

Caught A Few...

Hi all,

I've seen several "Shootouts". I've found them uniformly (no pun intended) high quality. On a personal note, I find the actors fun to watch, but I get the most out of the interviews and the digital models. Those digital recreations really drive the strategy home to me.

In short, some of the best TV these days is on the History Channel..

John

 

[mbs357]

I've seen it a few times, great show.
They mostly show military. But I've seen (or at least the previews of it) of a LEO one, I believe it was the LA Bank Heist.
I wonder what the chances of them doing one with CCW permittees is.
(Maybe not one completely focused on CCWs but maybe an LEO shootout with CCWs helping out or some such.)

 

[grimlock]

To me, it really drives home the fact that, if the insurgents over in Iraq ever tried to aim at all, we'd be losing a lot more soldiers.

Oh, and the guy who waded into the reeds with his knife drawn probably needs special tailoring on his pants.

 

[dk-corriveau]

My favorite line from last night’s episode went something like this:

Democracy isn’t handed out with milk & cookies, it’s fought for.

Good show all around.

 

[Lennyjoe]

Ah crap! I wanted to watch it but missed it.:banghead:

Hopefully it will play again.

 

[Tomcat1066]

Great show. I missed last night's episode, but I've seen several others.

To me, the coolest ones they did was about Normandy. They took a battle that was portrayed in Band of Brothers. It was extremely entertaining and informative. What was cool was already knowing all the guys names though

Tom

 

[MedGrl]

What day and times are they on? I get history channel but my schedual is kinda wonky right now 'cause of Final exams for the semester.

 

[enfield]

I'd advise everyone to take what they see on The History Channel with a grain of salt. They're no more accurate than most other sources of information. They provide entertainment, not history.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Salt and Pepper

I'd advise everyone to take what they see on The History Channel with a grain of salt. They're no more accurate than most other sources of information. They provide entertainment, not history.

In case you've missed most of my posts on THR, I take absolutely EVERYTHING with a grain of salt.

...is officially my new favorite show on television.

Tonight Iraqi double-header, but even the stories they do about WWII, etc are very informative and entertaining.

Notice in my original post I didn't say accurate, I said informative and entertaining...

 

[JamisJockey]

To me, it really drives home the fact that, if the insurgents over in Iraq ever tried to aim at all, we'd be losing a lot more soldiers.

Oh, and the guy who waded into the reeds with his knife drawn probably needs special tailoring on his pants.

Pants with extra space in the groin for the brass clankers are standard issue for Marines.

Ooorahh!

 

[michael_aos]

No complaints about the show, but the FORMAT drives me nuts. I've almost given up on it.

They set up the story. Then do a recap. Then run through it. Then a commercial. Then they set it up again. Then another recap. Then they play 1/2 the program that aired before the commercial. Then another summary.

Come on!!!!



I feel like I've watched in at least 3-times by the time it's over. Maybe, just MAYBE 20-minutes of content in an hour-long show.

:banghead:

Mike

 

[Crosshair]

From what I have heard the enemy not aiming thing is for the most part true. Even better in the show is when you see them firing an RPG with a solid brick wall right behind them.

 

[PaulTX]

I watched most of the two shows last night. What bothers me is why they don't have some heavier weapons with those squads? They needed some 50's and the auto grenade launchers (don't remember the designation). Plus with all those RPGs laying around - why aren't we using them against the bad guys? Just a squad with 4 hummers and M16's is fairly weak. Also - where's the air support - they should have taken out a couple of square blocks!

It is hard to achieve fire superiority when you are out-numbered, have wounded, and only have the M16's and maybe an machine gun (didn't see much machine gun activity).

 

[Dain Bramage]

firing an RPG with a solid brick wall right behind them

From what I've read, RPG are one of the few recoilless weapons that can be fired from an enclosed space. The warhead is initially driven by a small propellant charge, and then the rocket ignites when the warhead is well away from the weapon.

It gives it a strange dipping and climbing flight profile that the sight is supposed to account for.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Firepower

I thought the same thing...for a group of people who were going LOOKING for a fight, they sure didn't take what I would. Maybe they were severely restricted on weapon selection.

As far as AIR goes, I bet they couldn't have called it in anyway...too much COLLATERAL damage

 

[MD_Willington]

From what I've read, RPG are one of the few recoilless weapons that can be fired from an enclosed space. The warhead is initially driven by a small propellant charge, and then the rocket ignites when the warhead is well away from the weapon.

It gives it a strange dipping and climbing flight profile that the sight is supposed to account for.

I could ask a guy I work with about that... He could probably say, been there, done that, didn't get the shirt though...

MD

 

[JamisJockey]

On average, every Marine fireteam (4 members), has a SAW. There should also be a smattering of AT-4's. Everyone would have frag grenades, and possibly some CS, smoke, and stun grenades.
Not every combat action requires a big freaking hammer. Sometimes just a few grunts and thier rifles is the key.
And any enemy who's had the unpleasant experience of being on the business end of a Marine advance probably wasn't worried about the TO&E....they were too busy dying!

 

[f4t9r]

Seen it , Like it

 

[jtward01]

Yeah, I had to question some of the tactics used, too, if they were portrayed accurately. Let's see, you have insurgents on floors above and below you. You advance down the steps to where the insurgents are waiting in the dark, their eyes already adjusted to the lower light. You take fire and your people are wounded. You're surprised! NOW you decide to drop a few frag grenades down the steps. Why in hell didn't you lead with the frags before sending people down?

SOF guy goes upstairs and tosses in a flash-bang. A FLASH-BANG? Why not a frag grenade and take care of business?

Two guys go through a door onto a roof. BG starts shooting. Second Marine through the door is hit. First Marine runs back down steps leaving his buddy on the roof. Why wasn't he shooting at BG while BG was shooting his buddy? Why wasn't he courts martialed for turning tail?

One of the most interested parts to me was the story about the BG sniper who held his fire while the Marines recovered their dead. This BG may have allied himself with the insurgents now, but his actions are those of a professional soldier, not a terrorist.

 

[hillbilly]

The bit that really blew me away was the Marine who took a 5.45 round to the gut and fell down.

He was pulled around a corner and worked on by a Navy Corpsman.

As the Corpsman worked on him, the wounded Marine smoked a cigarette, figured his buddies needed help, and then stood up and got back into the firefight with a 5.45 bullet from an AK-74 still in his guts.

damn.........


Oorah, Devil Dogs.............


hillbilly

P.S. For those that didn't see it, the bullet from the AK-74 stayed in the Marine's guts because it ripped the carry handle off the Marine's M16 before it punctured the said Marine.

 

[jason10mm]

They have done 2 cop shows that I have seen (LA bank and a generic SWAT one) as well as a wild west one. I'm hoping for some Vietnam, WW1, and more cop stories.

It comes on Tuesday nights, but they show it all through the week.

 

[grimlock]

From what I've read, RPG are one of the few recoilless weapons that can be fired from an enclosed space. The warhead is initially driven by a small propellant charge, and then the rocket ignites when the warhead is well away from the weapon.

It gives it a strange dipping and climbing flight profile that the sight is supposed to account for.

RPGs still have quite a backblast. I saw a video a year or so ago where RPG man didn't alert his buddy, standing behind him, that he was firing.

Guy disappeared between the firing frame and the next. Reports are he ended up 10 feet away, and was not in a happy state.