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Shot a Savage 10FCP this morning. Is 1/2 MOA the new standard?

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  1. Snakum

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    I've fired a Savage 114 with Accustock previously and saw 1 MOA right out of the box with factory ammo. But this was a surprise:

    A friend from home stopped by early today with his new rifle, a Savage 10FCP with muzzle brake in .308 picked up yesterday afternoon. He had already cleaned it thoroughly so we took it straight to a local guy's place to test it with three kinds of factory ammo. At 100 paces - which with my long chicken legs is about 110 yards - it shot 'four per groups' of .5" or better with two different weights of Federal Power-Shok and with Winchester BST once we got the bipod and sandbags set up properly. We allowed the barrel to cool between groups for record, but we also noticed that the barrel getting hot after, say ... four quick four-shot groups as fast as we could load 'em in and jack the bolt, didn't affect the groups size so much as POI. My beloved Winchester and the older Rem 700s I use will start to open up pretty badly when I shoot like that, of course they have sporter barrels.

    It seems Savage is really kicking butt nowadays. I've been looking for a new bolt gun and have ruled out Sako/Tikka for CS issues, ruled out new Remingtons for QA issues, and ruled out Ruger for the fit and finish I saw on their guns in the shop. Savage was running neck and neck with Thompson/Center, but being able to get a bolt in .308 may make Savage the winner. Money's tight and .308 plinking is cheap compared to 30-06 and 7mm mag.

    So, when out-of the box Savage rifles shoot sub MOA groups regularly, some models even doing it with factory ammo, does this mean .5 MOA is the new standard. It seems most rifles produced nowadays will probably shoot MOA with some factory round or another, right out of the box. They're all more accurate than ever. I've even read gun tests where Savage's Stevens and Marlin's XL7s will shoot 1" groups with certain factory loads and are dependable as can be in the brush.

    It's a good time to be a gun nut. :D
     
  2. dagger dog

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    It is spooky ain't it?

    The last three rifles I have purchased new, 2 Savages, 1 Ruger, were capable of sub MOA .

    As like many others that read these forum posts, I handload. All of the three above rifles have shot sub MOA with those handloads.

    Back to the OP of .5 MOA, maybe in somebody elses hands but not mine:D
     
  3. Uncle Mike

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    The 114/14 does not come with the 'Accustock', the 114/14 have the wood stocks.
    You may have been looking at a 10, 11/111, 16/116.


    They have been for several 'years' now! Welcome to highly accurate, fairly priced excellent quality firearms.

    Savage has always, with the exception of the poo poo years, been accurate right out of the box. It is the design of the Savage, which lends itself to easy production...easy, low cost production translates into better QC on the other end.
     
  4. JDGray

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    Savages Rock!

    My 10FP regularly shoots .5" at 100yrds, for 5 shot groups. People don't like to here that, saying probably just some lucky groups, but with luck like that, I don't need skill:D
     
  5. Snakum

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    You're right, it was the 111 that I shot earlier. The blued steel and synthetic model. I think a 10FCP might be my next rifle.
     
  6. RobMoore

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    Specifically, those who bought high-dollar rifles that won't give them small groups don't like hearing that. I find $1500-2500 1911 owners the same. They don't like hearing that a RIA runs tons of ammo and has never been back to the factory for fixing.

    If the 10FP came in something other than .308, I'd get one. As it is, a 111 Long Range Hunter in .300 WinMag is on my short list.
     
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    Congratulations and welcome to the Savage 0.5 MOA Out of Box Club! (hmmm...I think we need a forum sticky for our club)

    I have a 10FCP as well and my first time out to the range with it I did a 5 shot 0.458 at 100 yards.
    http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=488324

    Have to agree with your narrowing down and reasons for buying. Pretty much my reasons as well. The main contender was the Remington 700P. By all accounts a very nice rifle and I probably would have been happy with it too. Well...at least until I shot a Savage :D
     
  8. taliv

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    i don't think there's as much class warfare going on as some of you apparently do

    i don't know anybody that's upset that extremely accurate rifles are available super-cheap.

    i don't own a savage yet, but i plan to pick one up someday. only thing i have against them is the accutrigger, which is easy enough to remedy.

    post some groups, guys! drag those 10s out to the competition they were designed for and let us know how you like them
     
  9. JDGray

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    It comes in .223, but I see you want bigger:D

    The people that don't like hearing about .5 MOA rifles, are the ones saying you can only do it once in awhile. But everyone that shoots my Savage can majicly do it. Savages are really no cheaper then any other rifle brand, Rem 700 SPS, Tikkas, all about the same price.
     
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  10. JDGray

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    All shots taken off a bipod, free recoil, at 100yrds
    Load development target with 155gr SMKs, & other random shots
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    Didn't like this powder, but shot the Varget load to .5"
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  11. taliv

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    very nice! i love seeing pages of 5-shot groups. especially in the half-inch range.

    how come you don't like varget?


    out of curiosity, what was your sight picture with the squares and diamonds? just cross-hairs in the middle? target dot in the middle? or you have some stadia you line up on the edges? or what
     
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    5 shot 0.458 MOA at 100 yards.

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  13. taliv

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    is it just me or is that a 5 MOA 15-shot group? :)
     
  14. Boba Fett

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    LOL Actually the target has 18 shots on it.

    But if you read my original post (linked way up there), that target was taken when I was out the first time sighting the rifle in. After I managed to put two shots in almost the same place I kept going until I had 5, then continued my adjustments.

    You'll just have to take my word on that...so I guess if I really want to say I have a 5 shot sub 0.5 MOA that people will believe, I'll have to do it on another target by itself :p
     
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    What is up with the "Don't mark or patch this target in any way" warning?
     
  16. taliv

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    nah, we'll take your word for it boba

    that is an odd warning, rob.
     
  17. R.W.Dale

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    so carters county shooting range can sell you another $5 target


    Much like the $8 pepsi at the movie theater
     
  18. Boba Fett

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    Yeah, that is really my only complaint about Carter's Country. But other than that, they're a great place with good people and good prices.

    Their targets are a couple bucks and it is cheaper than driving down to American Shooting Center where they will let me patch and mark.
     
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    Varget Good!

    My rifle don't like IMR4985, the Varget group is in the middle.:) Havn't been able to do better then my Varget loads, pushing 168 & 155gr SMKs

    The black diamonds were hard to shoot at, and believe it was printed off for a THR rimfire shooting match that I didn't get a chance to shoot, but just aimed for center. The white background square targets are way easier to shoot. The target with 4 black squares, is a 300yrd scope zero, and was the only target shot at with a zeroed scope:D
     
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  20. Hesenwine

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    I have several Savages, none of which have the accutrigger or accustock-they're older models.

    The best shooters are the matching 112BVSS bull barrel laminated stock models in 22-250 and .308.

    Easily 1/2" groups @ 100 yds even with my old shakey hands off sandbags/rests.

    Varget is my choice for propellants and Sierra 155/168gr for the .308 & Hornady 55gr V-Max for the 22-250.

    I did do a little polishing on the sears and changed the trigger spring to a lighter guage whick helped a little.
     
  21. CZ223

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    Savage is the way to go

    I have known this for years. I have recently sold off a couple of my 12BVSS's but I still have seven. If they don't shoot .5MOA or better I don't keep em around. It is too easy to find one that will.
     
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    I've owned 2 Savages. One a 10fp in .223 and a 12VSS in .22-250. The 10fp is the most accurate rifle I've ever shot. Using 69gr match bullets it routinely shoots 1/4" groups. The 12VSS was a piece of junk. Choate stock, all stainless and nylon stock but 1" groups with verticle stringing. I tried a lot of things and it never improved. Ended up selling the 12VSS and replacing it with a Rem 700 in .22-250. The 700 shot much better then the Savage.

    The 10fp being the most accurate rifle I've ever owned even has a problem. 30% of the time it won't feed the next round into the chamber, the tip of the bullet just doesn't want to enter the chamber. And this is a gun supposedly made for LE? You'd have to show me a PD that has one and I'd probably laugh.

    Savage accuracy seems to be hit or miss, with more hit then miss. But they just seem to have reliability problems.

    The Win 70 Stealth I purchased was very accurate and fed all ammo reliably. I bet you could find these serving LE duty.

    Sorry, I'm not sold on Savage.
     
  23. Snakum

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    I started calling around to find an FP in stock locally in .308. I was initially thinking "Sendero" but with my Remington fiascos this year that'd just be insane at this point.

    Anyone seen a Savage FP in 308 around NC gunshops? Looking for the one with the muzzle brake or without. With or without flutes.
     
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    I have always loved the way my Savage 110 FLP 300 Win Mag shot. I have never really been patient enough for bench shooting,but after I started shooting this rifle,I would just grin and laugh when I would shoot sub-moa groups. That was with the Mueller Eraticator scope on it,I won't say CHEAP scope,because they are decent just lower priced.But now that I have the Swarovski scope on it,I grin ear to ear at the groups it shoots when I do my part.

    I just ordered another 110 FLP from Savage in 25/06 and can't wait for it to come,so I can see what it will do at the range and in the field.
     
  25. joed

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    Gee TXhillbilly, you just hit my favorite rifle cartridge, the .25-06 Rem. I have had a Rem 700 VS chambered in this round for 32 years now. It was the only centerfire rifle I owned for many years. You don't see the .25-06 in a heavy barrel anymore. But back when I bought mine it was intended for sillhouette and varmint shooting. That cartridge is one of the best all around cartridges ever developed.

    My 700 in on its second barrel now, a Krieger match that I had put on 2 years ago. So far only 20 rounds through it.
     
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