SHOT Day 2 - Kel Tec Shotgun

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Not so fast. I am a great fun of the keltec products but before we need to see how every new product performs. We have many good shotguns and the saigas give you a lot of play with 2, 3 or as many magazines as you can carry.
I love this idea so we should keep a close eye on this.
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E.
 
Screw loading something slug, 00, slug, 00, slug.

I'd say screw that irrespective of having the KSG or not. Learn to perform a slug change over, its not that hard.
 
How long is the barrel on this or did they just have a very short barrel on there for the show??
 
The barrel is 18" if I remember right. Its a bullpup so it looks shorter. When I said a pound or two more I meant empty weight. The only things I would put on would be a taclight and a sling. Doing a slug load is possible but practice will be needed since it ejects from the bottom and the ejection port is close to your armpit. There is a selector switch to choose either tube or you can lock both tubes and just chamber feed it.
 
It seems like this shotgun could be great for law enforcement. Non-lethal bean bags in one tube and slugs or 00 buck in the other. Anybody else think this is a possibility? Where is the switch to change the tubes at?
 
It seems like this shotgun could be great for law enforcement. Non-lethal bean bags in one tube and slugs or 00 buck in the other. Anybody else think this is a possibility? Where is the switch to change the tubes at?

I pretty sure in a world that often requires a whole separate gun, painted an extremely conspicuous color, like orange, for less lethal rounds the idea/practice of stuffing one tube full of buck and the other full of bean bags in the same gun and relying on an individual cop to get a mechanical switch to the correct side in the heat of the moment would be a total no go.
 
Having both non-lethal and lethal ammunition at the same time would not be allowed. It only takes a simple switch error to kill someone by mistake or for you to be killed.
Police has extrict regulations regarding these type of matters.
For civilian use, watch out, every round has your name and your lawyers name written on it.
NSF.
 
Hi just a little input on this gun It is just a Upgraded version of a preexisting South African shotgun that has been around for a long time called the neostead
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/safr/neostead-e.html . When it was designed it was intended on having nonlethal in one tube and lethal in the other bad idea for here in the us but the people that designed it in the SA thought it would be a good idea for cops.
 
Hi just a little input on this gun It is just a Upgraded version of a preexisting South African shotgun that has been around for a long time called the neostead

Doubtful. The link you posted shows the Neostead loads by tipping the mag tubes (located above the barrel), the pump slides forward then back because it has a fixed breech face and moving barrels. The Keltec has none of these things. The only similarity is the dual magazine tubes.
 
I got the info on its base gun from some one that works for Kel Tec themselves it is the next generation of that gun fixing the things the people in SA decided was hurting its adoption by the .gov over there.
 
It seems like this shotgun could be great for law enforcement. Non-lethal bean bags in one tube and slugs or 00 buck in the other. Anybody else think this is a possibility?

but the people that designed it in the SA thought it would be a good idea for cops.


No, law enforcement tries to keep lethal and less lethal weapons completely separate.
Even still there is accidents.
For example here is a 2009 case where an officer tries to go for his holstered taser to shoot a down subject, but pulls his sidearm from its holster instead and shoots the suspect who is already down on the ground unarmed in the back killing him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0P8TSP2YJU&feature=related


In a stressful situation, with a clearly antagonizing crowd nearby the stressed officer pulls the wrong weapon from his holster which results in the death of the individual.
The officer states he meant to pull his taser, which from all accounts and the evidence (including multiple videos taken by different people) supports this. He was as surprised by the gunshot as everyone else.

Multiple similar cases have been noted elsewhere in the nation. A Maryland cop was found not guilty after going for his holstered taser and accidentally pulling his gun and shooting a man who was running away.
In the decision the court cited numerous case law precedent for the 4th District (which includes multiple states) where officers accidentally shooting or slaughtering people were found not guilty, even when due to negligence.


(And these are just cases where the officer admits to accidentally using lethal force, not the many where they claim a perceived justification after.)



Now consider how much more difficult it is to draw the wrong weapon than having a selector switch on the wrong setting.
People would frequently be accidentally killed if you mixed less lethal and lethal in the same weapon.
 
This is a deal killer for me. The trigger has to reset, else in a stressful situation its naught but an expensive short club. JMHO
 
From what I've read on another forum, the LE model does have the reset.

The 'civilian' model does not and KT considers it an additional 'safety feature'.

FWIW, the posters on the other forum said KT was very responsive to their concerns so it may be fixed by the time it gets to market.
 
I know this shotgun is not designed for wing shooting, but I have to wonder about the balance of a gun with offset magazine tubes when one tube is being emptied at a faster rate than the other. Swinging the KT will be a very dynamic event. Interesting idea and a gun that I would like to give a whirl.
 
I was with TexasRifleMan looking at the Kel-Tec (that's me holding it in the pictures). The general consensus of the four guys in our group was, "Wow! When can I get one?! Wait, how much?! For a Kel-Tec?! If it said Remington, I'd buy it in a second, but Kel-Tec needs to put just a little bit more effort into their QC."

If the production is up to par with the prototype, I think they are bringing in a new era. The action was slick, and the fit and finish were great. The handling was great, due mostly to the bullpup design. The sling loops and small rail on the bottom of the pump are great features. A good HD shotgun REQUIRES a light, and they accommodate that handily, without having to add additional accessories. Full length rail on the top: win.

Time will tell about the quality of the production models...
 
Did you notice how sharp the slide release button was? I'm actually more excited by the RMR-30.
 
Can it alternate feeding between both magazines like the NeoStead 2000, or can you only use one at a time?
 
JShirley, yeah, that was a strange design for that slide release button. I think a wide paddle would have served better.

I don't know why you'd take a short, fast handling bullpup and hang an extra foot of bayonet on the front. This isn't WWI and we aren't in the trenches.
 
I know folks are excited to have a shotgun with a legal barrel that's this short, but I think I'd really like the muzzle a few inches further away. I'd be okay with trading a very minor bit of close-quarters maneuverability for another 4" of barrel.
 
I know folks are excited to have a shotgun with a legal barrel that's this short, but I think I'd really like the muzzle a few inches further away. I'd be okay with trading a very minor bit of close-quarters maneuverability for another 4" of barrel.

I'm one of the guys that is excited for an OAL this low :)

However I believe there are some other countries that need the barrel a few inches longer for it to be sold, perhaps they will offer different barrel lengths at some point?
 
OK, fix trigger reset, and JShirley, how about an inch extra of muzzle brake/flash hider? That might be an interesting option. No fun for the poeple standing next to you at the range, though...
I wish for three things, fix these mior issues, actually MAKE the thing, and drop that price by half. While I'm at it, I'd like a pony, too.:p
This would be an interesting LEO firearm, especially in prison, with very tight corners. Many ideas come to the mind....
 
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