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Shot Size for Home Defense

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    What would be a good shot size for HD. I'm in an Apartment now but will be in a house in 7-8mos. My local Academy has the usual bird shot #6-#8 and some Remington Buck shot #4-00.
     
  2. NMshooter

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    Well, since the shotgun forum seems to be pretty quiet I will try to answer...

    00, 000, or slugs. 2 3/4" only.

    This includes in the apartment.

    The spread on that shotgun is not much at indoor distances, and buckshot penetrates less than most handgun rounds, so I do not see any increased risk.

    You should always have some slugs for a defensive shotgun.

    A whole mess of folks will soon pile on to disagree, but I got here first. :neener:
     
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    Birdshot will work just fine. It also has less recoil to boot! :)
     
  5. 1911user

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    I'll generally agree with NMshooter.

    A common standard is 00 (double naught :D ) buckshot for general use. Have a few slugs handy in case you need a big-bore rifle instead of a shotgun. I normally don't worry about overpenetration with buckshot and pistol ammo, but I'd be really careful with slugs indoors, especially the "sabot" type; those are capable of some serious penetration unless the cover is very dense like metal, brick, or thick wood.

    EDIT: a link that seriously covers the subject: http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm
     
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  6. Feanaro

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    I recommend the Box 'O Truth. If you check out the third article(about shotguns, though I recommend them all) you should find what you seek. In his tests OO buck penetrated less than pistol or rifle rounds. Even those wonder JHPs just turn into FMJs once they are clogged up.
     
  7. Zach S

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    I use the low-recoil 00B (3 dram) from Federal in mine.
     
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    Good stuff Fenaro
     
  9. Mauserguy

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    I recently picked up a new shotgun, so this weekend I put the 18 inch barrel on it and went out to test her. I set up some soggy telephone books at 20 paces, and let go. Birdshot shredded the telephone books without fully penetrating them. Buckshot went clean through.

    Basically, my conclusion is that buchshot is good when you don't have neighbors, but in a condo or appartment, go with birdshot. It will make a mess of an intruder at close range but will represent less of a danger to your neighbors.
    Mauserguy
     
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    #3 buck

    More than enough on a human target.
     
  11. homeka45

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    Thanks, :) good info here, box' o truth added to bookmarks.
     
  12. Godfather

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    Buck probably won't leave the body unless it's a headshot. But any miss will put it right through several drywall walls. Try the short 12 guages (minishells), smaller that 2 3/4" but would be fine for close range stuff. Test it out on targets to check the penatration. Try lining your walls with corragated steel then covering that with more drywall to cut down on uneeded scatter.

    You could try an SKS or such loaded with frangible ammo. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=29494119
     
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    Frangible ammo might work but 5.56mm frangible ammo went through eight drywall boards, in the Box 'O Truth tests. #4 buck went through six.
     
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    Some ballistic gelatin tests on the firearms page to hopefully help you with your decision at:

    www.tacticalworks.ca

    Regardless of what you choose, make sure to get out to both pattern and practice.

    Good luck!

    Brobee
     
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    The mini shells are neat in guns such as a double or single barrel barrel shotguns, they have cycling issues in all autos and even most pumps.

    Steel walls??? :scrutiny:

    Work for the mafia godfather?
     
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    Get your self some Fed Tactical OO Buckshot and Slugs and call it good! Make sure of your backdrop and do not mess with birdshot!
     
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    Thanks fellers, I'm gonna pick up some reduced recoil double ought at the next gun show.
     
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    "The mini shells are neat in guns such as a double or single barrel barrel shotguns, they have cycling issues in all autos and even most pumps.

    Steel walls???

    Work for the mafia godfather?"

    One does not "work for" the Mafia. I know the minishells will probably not work in a semi, but a review I read seemed to make them OK in a pump.
     
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    give them a try in somthing, reveiws can be misleading.

    the only gun ive heard of them working semi reliably in is the winchester 1300, the shells seem to get turned around in other actions.
     
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    Steel #6, in chamber with #4 buck and alternating slugs after that first shot. If I need to go through a wall, I can easily shuck it out quickly. In the same room #6 will be a horrible wound.
     
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    I've got an old SxS cut down to 18.5 inches that I keep around specifically for this purpose - 4's in one barrell, 6's in the other. When in doubt, pull both triggers - empty it makes a great club. Sure to ruin someone's day at close range.
     
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    When you move into the house I'd purchase Estate Cartridge 9 shot 00 Buck. Good hot stuff if your really serious about protecting yourself. It's what I have in my HD 870 at the house. First introduced to Estate Shotshells in 70's in Marine Corps. A very well kept secret to most.
     
  23. Godfather

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    I guess this is as good a place as any- I have a Remington Model 11, and the only mag extensions I found were for Remington's 1100's. Does anyone know about extensions for model 11's?
     
  24. Dave McCracken

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    Check the threads on the end of the mag tube, I believe they're the same.

    In day of yore, extensions were made by firms like Pachmyer and LL Bean for the 11. Ostensibly they were for crow shooters, but lots were sold to LE and Prison depts and agencies. Charles Askins wrote of using an 11 with a long extension in the Border Patrol.

    NOTE: I highly recommend using a clamp on most shotguns with extensions. With the recoiling barrel on the 11, you can't do that. In your shoes, if I had to add an extension, I'd go with a two shot to keep that unsupported weight down..
     
  25. Godfather

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    aight. thanks for the tip. only prob with checking the threads is that the only one's I can find are in catalogs or online. I guess I could check w/local stores. Though most son't sell accessories round here.
     
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