Shotgun Etiquette

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The old time shotgunner’s term that I always thought odd was a “Belgium Browning”. Obviously that means a Browning-branded firearm manufactured by FN in Belgium, but we don’t refer to a “France Lebel” or a “Russia Mosin”. It should be a “Belgian Browning”.
 
Doesn't seem old time to me, but I am by now an old timer.
The term arose when Browning started sourcing guns in Japan instead of Belgium.
The expression heard here many times "I bought a Mossberg and put up my Belgium Browning."
Yes, it should have been Belgian Browning but the point was that national origin was taken as an indicator of quality and likely to appreciate in value vs those Oriental things.

Then it became "Me and my Mossberg can beat those old guys and their Kreighoffs at the Trap and Skeet club."

"Mossy" and "shotty" seem to be creatures of the Internet, not spoken here.

As far as etiquette and safety, around here, loading a Trap gun with more than one or a Skeet gun with more than two shells will get you corrected in a hurry.
 
Some folks are determined to sound ignorant. Can't help themselves. As a former instructor I agree that folks that think they already know how to shoot are the worst students in every way. They resist instruction and the outcome is usually not as good as that of a rank beginner or the rare smart person that takes advice. Then there is the refusal to follow safety rules. That is a feature of this board. Almost everybody already knows everything. Just kidding.
 
kudu said:
A shotgun is not a "shotty"
It's not a "mossy", "winnie", "remmy". It's Mossberg, Winchester, and Remington.
It's gauge, not guage.
A shotgun used for wingshooting is pointed, not aimed, if you are using it like a rifle at a static target, by all means aim it.

Sorry just a few pet peeves of mine, feeling a bit curmudgeonly today, feel free to add to the list, I'm sure I missed quite a few.
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My pet peeve....there's a ongoing Pet Peeve thread around here...:neener:
 
257 Bob, .257 Roy and Bushy in addition to the aforementioned nicknames.



jaguarxk120 said:
When the OP posts "shotty" I will generally pass on adding any information or my knowledge,
since the OP knows everything there is to know about shotguns or shooting them!
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Same here.
 
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Remington is the most popular target shotgun shell at my club. No jamming. And Remingtons are all I use for hunting - again no jamming. I've never heard of any American shotgun shell that was known for jamming. Maybe something wrong with their guns ?
 
Yes, STS and Nitros. Gun Clubs and Clay & Target hull bases are steel and will jam some guns. I have heard of lots of American shells that jam, and see them every Thursday during leagues at my club, where the mix of break open to semiautos and pumps is about 50/50. The various (even cheaper made, these days) promo shells jam rather regularly in pumps, mostly, but the odd semi or break open also. I don't know how many pumps I've mortared cases out of for people. Other places I shoot at where the few semis you see are Smurf guns or 1100's, it's about 99/1. The only break opens I know of that have consistent problems with shells sticking are Ljutics, which I know of firsthand, being an owner of one.
So, you're telling me it is my Mono Gun's fault steel bases stick, when the gun was made when few steel based shells existed? I say it's the ammo makers' faults for cheaping out and using an inferior gas seal material. (that's a hull base or cartridge's main function) I only shoot brass based hulls in my Ljutic, and all my other Trap guns, except the 1100 Competition, it gobbles them up without complaint.
 
It has been some time since I shot much Trap, original AAs (and a MEC) were my mainstay for a good while. I was going over to STS after they began cutting corners on AAs.

I have shot a few rounds with econoshells and no difficulty except they don't have the oomph to eject from my old 1100's No 2 barrel. I am going to introduce it to a drill index this summer. The Word is a #44 drill bit. They are ok in the No 1 barrel but the No 2's ports and screw choke are improvements.
 
I’m sorry but Winchester 120-1400’s will always be Wincheapers to me because of their aluminum receivers and self ejecting ejectors.

@Jim Watson I’ll have you know I’ve beat a few Perazzi and Kreigoff Shooters with a beat up 870 Express because it was all I could afford at the time.
 
A shotgun used for wingshooting is pointed, not aimed, if you are using it like a rifle at a static target, by all means aim it.
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Even a defensive shotgun is never aimed, it is pointed. The nature of the target is of little consequence. Weather it be a bird or a goblin, the result is the same. The shotgun is POINTED TO THE TARGET. This is why the traditional bead sight is preferred even over ghost rings that are all the rage these days.
 
Note that I said 1100, Dustbowl. I tried this and that but always went back to the comfortable gas gun. For singles, I went through several OUs for doubles.

JCooperfan, you need to talk to my turkey hunting friend and some three-gunners about that "pointing" stuff.
 
Jim Watson Its your Mossberg comment that got me wrong. I’ve seen younger guys with beat up pumps shooting next to the old guys with the high dollar guns and beating them. Sure you get the guys that are ignorant with their “Mossys”, but sometimes the Mossberg is all they can afford.

Etiquette is one thing, but looking down on someone because they can’t afford the Cadillac is another.
 
I have nothing against Mossbergs.
It was the bragging.

Did you know they sold a trap model with 2" Simmons rib and high Monte Carlo?
I once owned a Pedersen shotgun, Mossberg's attempt to go upmarket. It was an OU of Spanish make. The higher end OUs were built by Beretta. The Pedersen pumps were polished Mossbergs.
 
It's a pet peeve if somebody repeatedly does it or I get the impression they litterally think those are acceptable terms of reference, but every once in a while somebody says it in jest or whatever, what's the big deal?

I'm sure I could find a Hickok video where he refers to a shotgun as a "shottie", just being a wiseguy or clowning around. Not like he's an actual idiot. I assume when people use the terms around here it's in the same context.
 
Grit my teeth when I hear cylinder chambers called 'charge holes'.............who figured that one up, some New York ad man?.............Elmer Keith'd roll over in his grave!
 
Howdy

I agree, a Remington should never be called a remmy. The proper term is Remmie. I say that all the time when I am talking about my 1858 Remington Cap & Ball revolvers. (yes, I know 1858 was the patent date, they were actually made a little bit later than that.)

I'm pretty sure the term 'shotty' is a British term. I hear that every once in a while on various boards.

Historically, Winchester bought up every patent John Browning came up with from his 1885 single shot for about 20 years whether or not they produced the firearms, just to keep them out of the hands of competitors. Then he had a falling out with Winchester, and ended that relationship. When he came up with his Auto-5 shotgun, he went to Remington, to do some business, but the company president had a heart attack and dropped dead while Browning was in the waiting room. So he went to Belgium and all of his later firearms were produced by FN in Liege. I'm not sure if it was called Fabrique Nartionale back then or not. At some point, the Browning company, based in Utah merged with Winchester, and that is when all firearms began to be manufactured by Miroku in Japan. Miroku makes a very high quality product by the way.

The term Belgian Browning is pretty much like pre-1964 Winchester, denoting quality.

Smith and Wesson has been calling chambers charge holes for a bazillion years.They also call the firing pin attached to a hammer the hammer nose, and what most revolver manufacturers refer to as the bolt, S&W calls the cylinder stop.

What drives me crazy is referring to chambers in a revolver as cylinders. In an internal combustion engine, the holes the pistons ride in are called cylinders. In a revolver, the round thing that rotates is the cylinder, the holes the cartridges are placed in are chambers, or charge holes in a S&W.

While we are talking about pet peeves, mine is Back In The Day. Totally meaningless. It might mean 200 years ago, it might mean last Thursday. Take the time to figure out how long ago you are talking about, rather than being lazy and saying Back In The Day.

Regarding aiming a shotgun, in Cowboy Action Shooting, when shooting stationary targets, one AIMS the shotgun, no different than aiming a rifle. Don't tell me to point it, I aim it.

And Remington STS hulls are still the best made shotgun hulls anywhere. The base is still made of brass (yes, my magnet just proved that) and I have never had one jam. Remington Gun Club hulls have a steel base (according to my magnet) and may not shrink back again after firing and may jam in some shotguns.
 
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Yes the Gun Clubs have a steel base, but they are still light years ahead of the new
Winchester HS AA's.
 
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