shotgun itch

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  1. Driftwood Johnson

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    I have been shooting Black Powder loads in an old Stevens SXS hammer gun for many years.

    I load them on my old MEC Jr.

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    My load is a bit light, 4.3CC of Schuetzen FFg under 1 1/8 ounces of #8 shot. I use a 1/8" over powder card, a 1/2" cushion wad, and top the shot off with a thin over shot card. 4.3CC of Schuetzen works out to about 65 grains. That equals a little bit less than 2 1/2 drams of powder. With Black Powder, if you use too much for any specific weight of shot you will blow a hole in the pattern. The old rule of thumb is what was called a square load. Equal volume of powder and shot. Pour in more powder and you can blow a hole in the pattern. Less powder is not a problem.

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    My load knocks down every knock down target I point it at. No need for any more powder.

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  3. Jackrabbit1957

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    I've been loading BP loads for my Parker double for quite some time myself. Square load, plastic shot cup, no issues. It's worked well for quail and doves. I also shoot a CVA double using the same load, plastic shot cup with an over the shot wad to prevent embarrassment when pointing the gun barrel down hill.
     
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  4. Mark_Mark
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    I was down the shootgun rabbit hole for a bit. Still am really. Parker Brothers is High End!
     
  5. Jackrabbit1957

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    Indeed they are, from what I refer to as " golden age of U.S. shotguns" You simply can't beat the workmanship on the old Parkers.
     
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    did you know, that the L.C. Smith & Corona typewriter company also made some of the best American shotguns?!?!?! called the L.C. Smith, wonderful shotguns!

    They have a building here in Seattle that’s was once the tallest building in America, the Smith Tower
     
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  7. hawg

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    I've got an L.C. Smith hammerless. They also made the Smith Corona 1903 A3 Springfield. I've got one of those too but it doesn't look much like a 1903 Springfield anymore.
     
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    you folks was talking about old shotguns and you made me pull this old beauty out! I bought it for $35 about 10 years ago, shot it once and it hurt. love looking at it. it’s a H&R Topper M48 and that’s all I know about it.

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  9. toivo

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    I'm not 100% certain, but I think those were rifled barrels to make them into slug guns for blackpowder deer season.
     
  10. hawg

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    You've got to snug it up to your shoulder. It wont hurt if you do.
     
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    I know how to shoot a Shotgun! LOL
     
  12. hawg

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    Then why did it hurt?
     
  13. Jackrabbit1957

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    Yes I am fully aware of L.C. Smith shotguns, in my humble opinion the Parker slightly beats them in fit and finish. Ithaca also made some fine shotguns.
     
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    I can’t afford a L.C. Smith but if I came up on a Ithaca, I would think about it. We had a shoot every Tuesday at my buddies deer lease, years ago, and a Ithaca bottom eject was in the mix, I like it a bunch and offered to buy it. But, it was his grandpa’s hand me down. Smooth gun
     
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    My family are pretty much rifle and revolver people so our shotguns were either H&R single barrel guns or Winchester pump guns. 1897, M12 and so on. My first shotgun was a 16 gauge Topper. One of my cousins had the same gun in 12 gauge. Somehow he got a hold of a box of 3 inch shells and fired them all in that 2-3/4” chamber. To a skinny 12 year old, that gun kicked hard!!!
     
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  16. Jackrabbit1957

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    Combined with a short forcing cone it's a wonder he didn't get knocked on his kiester.
     
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  17. hawg

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    I got an 1887 Winchester when I was 11. It has a 2 5/8 chamber. I shot the snot out of it with 2 3/4 smokeless loads for years. I even fired a 3 inch magnum out of it by mistake once. No damage to the gun and I still have it. It did a number on the shell tho.

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    His momma ordered the “Husky” sized wranglers from the JC Penny catalog. Not much would knock Stan on his ass… me on the other hand, I was moving from dawn to dusk and never carried an extra pound. So yea, it knocked ME on my ass!
     
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    And that's why this Jannssen&Sons hammer gun is called "The Bloody Nose Gun". First time I shot it, 12 years old, it gave me a whopping bloody nose. But not wanting to be called a "sissy", I continued firing it, nose spouting blood like a fountain. Old Bloody Nose has since killed enough ducks, quail, partridge, grouse and turks to feed the Chinese army.
     
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  20. Ugly Sauce

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    I have a folding "Companion" 12 gauge in 3", I cut the barrel down for a "trekking" gun, about 22" I think. It weighs five pounds, and with 3" slug loads I promise it will hurt no matter how one holds it. !!!
     
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    tell you what hurts no matter what I try. Ruger #1 45/70 405gn with 42gn of IMR-4198

    5-10 and I’m DONE!
     
  22. Ugly Sauce

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    Is that a #1 or a #3? I have a Trapdoor carbine, which I don't find to be a hard kicker with even a 400 grain bullet over 80 grains of 3fg Swiss. (which is probably only a 1400fps load at best)
     
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    #1 prettiest gun in the WORLD!
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  24. Jackrabbit1957

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    I shoot 200 grain pistol bullets in my trapdoor, tames it down a bunch. I checked the rifling twist and it's slower than my rolling block, which is happy with 350 grns and up. Both are 45/70 s.
     
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  25. hawg

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    I didn't think you could get 80 grains of 3F in a 45-70 case. I never tried but the most 2F I could get was about 67 grains. I just leveled it off at 65.
     
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