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Should ALL Felons Regain Their Gun Rights Upon Completion of Sentence/Parole?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Red Wind, Sep 8, 2016.

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Should ALL Felons Regain Their Gun Rights Upon Completion of Sentence/Parole?

Poll closed Oct 8, 2016.
  1. Yes

    20.8%
  2. No

    37.9%
  3. Non violent only

    36.0%
  4. Undecided

    5.4%
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  1. zxcvbob

    zxcvbob Member

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    Because they couldn't have possibly have used a brick or a hammer or baseball bat on grandma? You're the one making excuses.

    I'm fine with thugs owning guns. I'm not fine with them using guns to make mischief, but that's illegal anyway, isn't it?
     
  2. larry_minn

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    Well lets see (not reading any replies) Most convicted felons wind up arrested again. Often for similar things.
    So IMO if non violent, no arrests in 5 yrs that are not dropped. (not convictions just arrests as trial could take forever) Then rights can be patitioned to be restored.
     
  3. RX-79G

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    I would very much enjoy reading any material you might have on the Constitutional basis of removing some rights before and after conviction. I think you'll find about as much support in Constitutional law as you'd find for supporting slavery.

    This really isn't about the morality or prudence of arming felons. It is about cherry picking exceptions to the 2A, and whether that is a good position for people that believe their rights are protected by something supposedly uninfringable.
     
  4. Vern Humphrey

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    Okay.
    So states can constutionally restrict the rights of convicts, and pay no penalty for doing so.
     
  5. RX-79G

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    "Disenfranchisement" is the loss of the ability to vote, and nothing else. The 14th Amendment talks about losing your suffrage, but since suffrage is not one of the enumerated 10 rights in the BoR, it really doesn't comment at all on why a felon could lose his 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc rights.

    The 2nd is the only right under the BoR that can be "lost".
     
  6. Vern Humphrey

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    Do you have a Supreme Court decision that backs that up?
     
  7. RX-79G

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    Backs what up? You posted something about suffrage in the middle of a discussion about the 2A.

    Assuming that the suffrage, disenfranchisement and the 14th Amendment have anything to do with this thread, you'll have to explain, because I don't know what you're getting at.
     
  8. amprecon

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    I can understand for some it can be an emotional topic, but please read and comprehend what is said before jumping to incorrect conclusions.

    The felon's rights are suspended while in prison. Shooting a cop is no worse than shooting anyone else, no innocent persons' life is more valuable than anothers'. Whoever is unjustifiably killed is wrong regardless of their status or position in our society, ALL LIVES MATTER in America.

    The unlawful killing of another person justifies not just the stripping of their rights but the stripping of their life as well, that my friend is justice. My point is that if everyone were properly armed as designed by our founding, the criminals wouldn't make it to court to get rights stripped in the first place. Justice would have been appropriately served skipping the trial process altogether.

    We forget that we the people are the holders of the power in this country, not the government, it is not the governments place to mistrust us, it is our place to mistrust them.

    If we had to kill someone in defense of ourselves or another person it should be investigated to ensure the facts are correct. But today, the defender has to prove his life or the lives of others was in jeopardy, guilty until proven innocent and that is wrong.

    When innocent people defending themselves are persecuted by our justice system for surviving, there is just something wrong. It is another encroachment by our government to sway the populace from being self-sufficient and individual.

    It is almost better in some places to just take the bullet instead of trying to protect yourself, the cost and legal ramifications and publicity against you are astounding and it's wrong.
     
  9. Vern Humphrey

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    Find a Supreme Court case striking down Civil Death laws.

    Now until you come up with proof that Civil Death laws are unconstitutional, we'll have to take that as the last word.
     
  10. Warp

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    I'm a bit confused. Do you only support prohibiting violent criminals from ever again possessing firearms?

    And, if yes, are weapons violations (possession of this or that, possessing this or that in a particular location, etc) considered violent for purposes of the above?
     
  11. Robert

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    While this has been an interesting exercise, we are beginning to talk past each other on positions that were clearly stated pages ago. When this happens things begin to get heated and threads usually go south quickly. Hate me if you want, but I am pulling the plug before anyone says something that leads to an infraction.
     
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