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Should I Pay Someone To Reload For Me?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Mike1234567, Sep 14, 2011.

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Pay Someone Else To Reload Ammo?

Poll closed Nov 13, 2011.
  1. No, Don't do it. Here's WHY...

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  2. Sure, go ahead. Here's WHY...

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  1. Mike1234567

    Mike1234567 member

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    1. I'll never shoot enough to pay for pricey reloading equipment.
    2. I'm not really interested in reloading.
    3. I'll have no more than 3-4 calibers that make reloading fiscally sound...
    .... (.375 H&H Mag, .458 SOCOM, .300 Blackout, .45-70 Govt.)
    4. I've already stockpiled most calibers of ammo I want to store but none in these because of cost/round.

    The 4 calibers I listed in #3 are the only ones which are all that pricey to buy in factory loads costing from $1+ to $4+ each round.

    Assuming I want a minimum of 500 rounds each (preferably 1000 rounds), are there folks who will reload for others for reasonable cost? Of course, I'd want great care given to avoid serious problems.
     
  2. Jimfern

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    Just bite the bullet and buy ammo when it's on sale. The piece of mind you have from that is well worth any savings you might see from paying someone to reload for you, assuming you could find someone who would.

    I reload as a hobby. I doubt I actually save much money by reloading.
     
  3. Quoheleth

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    Short answer - NO. Not unless they are licensed and bonded.

    You don't know what he knows, his QC, or his skill level. Why risk your eyes, face, hands, or even life?

    Q
     
  4. biga972

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    I would never shoot some one elses reloads.....plus I do not think it is legal for one one to make ammo for resell with out the right insurance and lic. to do it.


    How do you know what components where used. Not a good idea.
     
  5. Sam1911

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    Manufacturing ammo for sale requires a Type 6, 7, or 10 Federal Firearms License.

    Do not pay someone else to reload ammo. That's encouraging them to break federal law, as well as putting you at some pretty unpleasant risks.
     
  6. Mike1234567

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    I appreciate the answers, folks. I feel a bit silly now but better a bruised ego than to make a huge mistake.:eek:
     
  7. Sam1911

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    Brusied ego? Naaahhh. This stuff isn't intuitive -- and much of the law is absurd to the point of nearly offensive to a "free" people.

    But it's the law, you know? :rolleyes:
     
  8. Mike1234567

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    Yeah, I know. My damaged ego is my own fault. I could have researched a bit before asking in open forum. Woodakoodashooda... oh well.:)
     
  9. RandyP

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    Cabelas sells Ultramax reloads, several online sources offer federally licensed reloads. They are about the only ones I would ever use other than my own.

    For discount ammo Herters is offering their stuff in your choice of brass, steel or aluminum cases.
     
  10. General Tso

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    Yes if they are a close personal friend that you trust.
     
  11. Quoheleth

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    Hey, Mike - don't be too hard on yourself. Live & learn.

    Q
     
  12. sixgunner455

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    I don't save money reloading. I get to shoot more for the same money I would have spent otherwise.
     
  13. gamestalker

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    1. Is it Illegal to reload for someone else and then sell it to them?
    E-mail Douglas Little attorney at law: doug@armedpersonaldefense.com
    He is a certified expert in all areas of guns, ammo, and personal defense, and the laws that pretain to them. According to him and contrary to what I've understood, he informed me it is not against the law to relad for someone aside form the risk of being held responsible in a civil law suit. As for the limitations he didn't specify. However, my question that was presented to him was can I offer load developement as a business entity without an FFL of any type. His answer was yes you can.
    2. Should I ask someone else to reload for me?
    Answer: I have shot someone else's reloads on a couple of occasions and only becasue they were given to me. On both of those occasions the ammunition didn't perform normal and either stove piped or was producing excessive pressures. In any case, just because someone has a press and the other related reloading tools of the trade doesn't indicate what level of skill or attention to critical detail they hold to standard.
    3. Reloading my own would not be cost efective because of the expense of getting set up.
    Answer: Assuming you will be involved in the sport for some years to come the savings will off set the setup expense. Most rifle dies are generally in the $25 range, case trimming tools per caliber is about $8-$10, a decent quality single stage press can be had for $70-$80, a reliable powder scale for around $50-$70 , HF tumbler for about $30. I don't know what factory ammunition for those cartridges you mentioned goes for but I do know you can reload quality ammunition that will likely exceed factory performance for much less than 1/2 the retail price, and shopping wisely for powder and bullets can produce an even better savings.
    I shoot and load for several high powered rilfes of which one is the 7mm RM. For me to load a box (20 rounds) of SPBT what is costing me $9.80. If I go up in quality to a Barns bullet or a simular high quality bullet the cost would be about $18 per 20 round box. Factory ranges from $45 to $65 or more for a quality round such as that. And for a standard SPBT I would spend no less than $25 for a box. Buying components in a larger quantity sold as bulk can decrease the cost of reloading significantly more. And brass if you use a neck die can last 12-15 reloadings for the 7mm RM. And I've heard that this can be extended another 10 cycles with a collet die.
    In my personal opinion, I can't afford to not reload, and not just because of the savings, but mostly because I simply can't bring myself to rely on ammunition that is capable of little more than going bang when over all performance is smeting you rely on at extended distances and penetration when it counts.
    I remember way back when I began reloading and at that time it was for the .270 win. My buddy argued that his premium top dollar 270 win. ammunition was the best and would out perform anything I could load. So I accepted his challenge and using a standard run of the mill Speer PSPBT loaded to middle of the road with RL19 blew right through a 5/8" piece of steel at 100 yds. He gafted at this and let one of his expensive factory premium rounds go and it dented the steel but didn't even fracture the back side. When we chronographed his ammunition it was @ 2700 fps and some change. Mine with the RL19 middle of the road was over 3100 fps.. 400 fps is significant when we need reach out and touch someone velocity. I could go on and and on about how great reloading is, but I don't think it would benefit you until you've actually loaded and shot what will ultimately be the best ammunition you've ever shot.
     
  14. billyjoe

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    I would either get into reloading for myself or pick cheaper cartridges to buy ammo for. Unless they are already set up to load those calibers they are still goina have to charge you a good bit to load those calibers.
     
  15. MMCSRET

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    Google "Hunting Shack Munitions". They used to load custom ammunition on a large scale, maybe they still do. The HSM brand has been around for almost 50 years. Also, there is a company in Arizona that specializes in custom ammunition, I don't have the name handy but you should find it in the adds in Rifle Magazine.
     
  16. buck460XVR

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    It's not at all illegal to reload for someone else........it's just illegal to do it for profit without the correct licensing.

    I reload for my family and a few good friends. My time and the components are my donation. I shoot reloads from a few good friends that I trust. I do not shoot reloads from unknown sources or from known sources I do not trust. If I had to buy reloads I would get them from a licensed, INSURED legitimate business.
     
  17. JohnM

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    I don't see anything wrong with having someone you knew who you trusted to know what he was doing reload some for you.
    Just about everyone I know reloads their ammo, but there are a couple guys I just don't know about if you know what I mean.
    So it would have to be some one you knew well.
    Preferably someone you shot with.
     
  18. RandyP

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    I am lead to understand the Federal statutes that if money changes hands? You are a business and if it changes hands for the mnaufacture of ammunition, a proper FFL IS required.

    The OP asked if he could PAY someone to reload, and IMHO the answer is no. Well actually the OP could pay all he wanted to, the mope who sold him the reloads however would be on the hook to the Feds.

    That and it only takes one kaboom to turn shootin' buddies into fierce combatants in a law suit.
     
  19. Uniquedot

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    You could buy all the components and have someone you trust assemble the ammunition for you, or you could buy a reloading starter kit and all the components and store them away in a safe place in case you needed ammo in the future and couldn't obtain it.
     
  20. Mike1234567

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    You folks are great. I appreciate all the information.

    I've given a lot of thought to what caliber rifles/ammo I want on hand. Heck, the only caliber rifle I have that I listed is a .375 H&H Mag. The other three are pipe dreams until I can raise funds for them. I have many of the most common calibers now... just not these esoteric (expensive) ones.

    The priciest ammo would be the .458 SOCOM followed closely by .375 H&H Mag then 45-70 and lastly .300 Blackout. The latter has recently fallen below $1 per round so it's not as big of a concern anymore. It's those $3-4 per round cartridges that are painful especially when I want to stockpile 500-1000 rounds each.

    I'm choosing certain caliber firearms and stockpiling ammo for them for reasons we don't discuss on THR... in case I really need them for some unspoken reason.
     
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    Mike, my second son loves all the weird new calibers and carries hand cannons with those "foot long" barrels. First son carries a 30/30 and brings in all the meat they can eat. Am just a plain old '06 shooter whose rds cost about .35 each--less if I pour my own.
     
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    I would NEVER shoot someone else's reloads.
    Way too many variables & you have no idea how meticulous they may or may not be.
     
  23. 1SOW

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    http://www.cccammo.com/

    I shot these 9mm years ago when I first started to shoot a lot. They worked fine and Art Collins equipment is impressive--his site shows the equipment. He specializes in 'Cowboy' shooting but offers many other types. He's a good Texas guy who backs up his products--or did years ago.

    His remanufactured ammo prices 'were' cheaper than Walmarts, and the ammo was better. I don't know his prices now-a-days.

    Reloading your own is the best way, especially if you "primarily" shoot just a few calibers. The initial costs don't have to be sky high for modest requirements.
     
  24. J_McLeod

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    You could make friends with someone that has the equipment, and maybe they'll let you buy the dies and use their press. I wouldn't reload for anyone else, but I wouldn't mind teaching someone and letting them load their own my equipment.
     
  25. Frozen North

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    No, because bullseye will fit into a 30-06 case.

    Buying re-manufactured ammo is a whole different story.

    Call me distrustful, but I really like my face and hands the way they are.

    The main draw for me is that I can custom tailor loads that offer the best accuracy and performance for my particular gun. If I am just gonna shove generic whatever loads through my gun, I want the safety and consistency that modern manufacturing techniques offer in commercial ammo.

    There is allot of cheap factory and milsurp ammo out there that you can count on not to destroy your gun if you are not interested in reloading.
     
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