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Should this man lose the right to own firearms for life?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Aim1, Feb 19, 2019.

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  1. Aim1

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    From the article: “Police say Phillips had a Glock .40 caliber with a round chambered, and it was in his back pocket with two additional magazines in a cargo pocket. Phillips, of Cottontown, Tenn., was charged with wanton endangerment and placed in the Warren County Detention Center. Phillips has a concealed carry permit in Tennessee, court records say.”


    I don’t know what ‘wanton endangerment’ is in Tennessee but it can range from a felony to misdemeanor. Let’s say this gentleman gets charged with a felony and pleads to a misdemeanor thus does not become a felon. He could theoretically still own guns.


    We all make mistakes and deserve second chances. However, this is very serious crime. If this gentleman avoids a felony conviction should he ever be able to own firearms again?


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    https://www.kentucky.com/news/local/crime/article226431055.html
     
  2. rb288

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    Would like to know more of the facts, but, if what is stated in this article is true, yes, he should lose his ccw, at the least.
    He pulled a loaded gun on someone because of a hat?
    He is to unstable to be allowed to carry a weapon.
     
  3. RETG

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    His gun being in his back pocket is a minor problem for me, the fact he pointed a gun at someone just because he didn't like the hat being worn is the key to me. He deserves a pretty good prison sentence and maybe the intelligence to know if you point a gun at someone, they might pull their own and shoot. That type of "one mistake" could be deadly.
    So yes, he needs to lose his CCW as well as spend time in prison.
     
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  4. Steve S.

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    Crazy people have rights also; in our judicial system, the truth is always somewhere in the middle.
     
  5. JONWILL

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    Mentally unstable person. Draws and points a firearm at someone. Also states "It's a good day to die"

    The fact he was not on the camera when the gun was drawn might be problematic.

    I bet it gets pleaded down to a misdemeanor and loss of his CCW and a few months in jail

    Of course this also depends on prior run ins with the law. It could be a felony if he has other convictions.
     
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    His gun being in the back pocket didn't strike me as very smart, but also not illegal. The fact that he pulled a gun on someone because he disagreed with the other guy's political views is a whole different story, though. That's not behavior that can be tolerated in a civil society, from any faction.

    I believe that the defendant is from TN, but the incident occurred in KY. Thus, he was charged in KY. According to the website of the Warren County (KY) Jail, he is currently charged with Wanton Endangerment in the 1st Degree.
    I've added the description of 2nd Degree W.E. just for comparison's sake.
     
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  7. The Liberal

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    Loss of all firearms, forever, and a short term in jail. People unstable/dumb enough to draw a weapon over a hat need to not have any weapons.
     
  8. stillquietvoice

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    Displaying guns in public during an arguement is serious. From the article I saw no reason to do that from the info given. Ccw is for defence to stop crimes against yourself,family, friends or perhaps to stop violent crimes in progress. It is a responsibility that all who carry concealed take on.
    His act was not responsible and subject to loss of ccw and the right to own firearms.
     
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    The guy has mental problems and is lucky he's alive today. Theres so much wrong with the story that all i can say is if he gets so worked up over a persons hat, what would he do if there were an actual reason to become excited? Im not really a supporter of removal of gun rights without a major violent crime. The way i see it is, if a person is likely to harm themselves or others they shouldnt be loose on the street. If they are not sane or are considered dangerous i cant justify allowing them to he free. Either a person is fit for society or they are not, if theyve commited crimes but are reformed great. If they are thought to still be a danger they shouldnt be released. I would bet money this guy has a history of previous crimes and mental illness. I would recomend a labotomy but it sounds like he had one already.
     
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    Thtat is more than a "red flag". He needs to be stripped of any and all firearms and given some "soak time". He is lucky that he is not 6 feet under after that incident.
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    He is essentially a political terrorist.

    Would you let Nidal Hassan keep his gun?
     
  12. drband

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    I agree with the assessments of this guy's mental state. However, putting someone in jail and removing their gun rights (constitutional 2nd amendment right) forever, can only be done via a jury trial (trial by peers). I am in favor of prosecution to whatever level is necessary to do so if it is carried out in front of a jury and they make the decision.
    I would not want a single judge to make that decision for me and in turn, not for this man either.
     
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  13. red rick

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    He is mentally ill , he needs never to own a firearm again until cleared by a panel of doctors and needs some time in a mental hospital .
     
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    In my mind the firearm wasn't even relevant. This is someone so vehement about a political agenda he feels justified to threaten violence to silence someone with a different view. The use of violence to silence the "free exchange of ideas" is not acceptable in a republic where the very roots are based on the representation of all people.

    I believe it was Rousseau who stated that in order for government to fulfill its social contract it sometimes had to remove disruptive people from society to maintain a peaceful society. If this person does not fit the bill of a disruption to a peaceful society, I am at a loss to see who would be.
     
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    A personal note. This occurred at my local Sam's Club here in Bowling Green. I was there this past Thursday, and am going there with my wife today for bags of salad and a few other things. Wife and I are still processing the whole situation. Always careful and watchful, I expect though we won't look at Sam's Club the same way ever again. Be ever vigilant my friends. Don.
     
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    I don't know about "for life", but I do believe that there need to be SERIOUS repercussions for these kind of actions. Responsible gun owners need to make it known that we don't condone these type of actions. I also won't use the term "mentally unstable", but will say that this shows a disregard for the responsibility of owning/carrying a firearm, and a disregard for the value of life.
     
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    Take the guns away and tattoo a big L on his forehead. The guy has issues. He had his gun so he probably felt like a tough guy when he started the whole thing. Who knows if he's done something like this in the past but hasn't gotten caught. Don't give him another chance.
     
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    In a word, yes.
     
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    Assuming the info in the report is relatively accurate ...

    I think that we may be seeing some of the effects of 2 things in this scenario, [1] a guy who gets his confidence/attitude from the gun he is carrying and [2] one of the many people (I think) who have, because of their anonymity on the internet, forgotten that being rude to people, in person, can have actual & immediate consequences.

    Reminds me of a young guy, suddenly all on his own, that I was training as a Bar Back in the '70s. I went out of my way to teach him a lot of fundamental things beyond job. One was, "Do not put a name on a man unless you are ready to back it up.". He ended up having to learn that one the hard way when he called one of the line cooks an SOB. Mistake. The cook came out from behind the line and gave him a follow-up lesson ... without do any real harm to the kid.
     
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    Two observations: first, this is indicative of the growing polarization in this country. We are going to see a lot more incidents like this between now and the 2020 election.

    Secondly, there are armed people on the left as well as the right. Guns are not the exclusive province of the conservative faction.

    Clearly, this guy needs to lose his carry license. I'm not sure he should be banned from gun ownership for life. Seeing the MAGA hats enraged him. Let's remember that he didn't actually shoot anybody.
     
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    YET.

    How much more evidence do you need?
     
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  22. Drail

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    Oh, you believe in "pre-crime" law enforcement? Wow. Let's see - unalienable rights bestowed upon us by The Creator that "shall not be infringed". Sure let's just take those rights away without conviction of ANY crime. Let's also allow the Govt. to take any large sums of money away from us because they "believe" and they're "absolutely certain" we will just use that money to buy drugs or hire a prostitute (Google "civil asset forfeiture"). Anyone who believes their "God given rights" may be taken away by any Govt. for any imagined reason does not deserve to live in a Consitutional Republic. You either believe in the Constitution - or you're a Democrat. The Constitution was written specifically and purposely to protect us from the Govt. doing these very things.
     
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  23. Pat Riot

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    Wow! This story is just chock full of stupid.

    The guy should lose his CCW.
    The “victim” needs a swift kick in the butt for egging on the idiot with the gun just because he could have been killed...but you can’t fix “stupid”.

    Now, imagine if the victims in the story were of a “protected class” of citizenry...this may have been considered “terrorism”.
     
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  24. Jeff H

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    Wanton Endangerment seems like he is skating off too lightly. Seems to me that if prosecutors can up they bar to something more serious, they might. Pulling a gun on someone who is wearing a hat you don't like is a serious issue.
     
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    And he might run them down with a car. You want to confiscate his car too? It's slippery slope and you really don't want to start down it.
     
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