Oleg Volk
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Should uniforms ward off bullets?
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Car Knocker
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Nice, thought-provoking poster. I like it.
The comma in the first sentence should be after "2005" instead of "Orleans".
The comma in the first sentence should be after "2005" instead of "Orleans".
english kanigit
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Why scum-sucking thugs in uniform get treated differently than scum-sucking thugs out of uniform is beyond me....
American By Blood
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Oleg just touched on one of the things that really gets my goat when people say "molon labe" or start talking about shooting Blue Helmets. Resistance has to be organized to be effective. Joe Homeowner isn't going to turn the tide by shooting it out with the JBTs on his driveway.
Unless you're already organizing a cell, caching supplies in a safe place away from your residence, preparing to live life underground, etc you're either going to die in a futile act of impotent rage or you're going to get a sinking feeling in your gut and turn in your hardware when/if the knock comes.
Righteous indignation and rifles are useless without organization.
Anyway, this poster is great. I'm probably going to print a bunch out business card sized on glossy coverstock and leave them places.
Unless you're already organizing a cell, caching supplies in a safe place away from your residence, preparing to live life underground, etc you're either going to die in a futile act of impotent rage or you're going to get a sinking feeling in your gut and turn in your hardware when/if the knock comes.
Righteous indignation and rifles are useless without organization.
Anyway, this poster is great. I'm probably going to print a bunch out business card sized on glossy coverstock and leave them places.
Johnny_Yuma
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Oleg, in September, 2005
Forced evacuations and disarming evacuees was NOT A CRIME under Louisiana law. Perhaps you might create some posters that urge people to get involved to change the law in their respective states rather than defaulting to a desire to shoot authority figures
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JY
Forced evacuations and disarming evacuees was NOT A CRIME under Louisiana law. Perhaps you might create some posters that urge people to get involved to change the law in their respective states rather than defaulting to a desire to shoot authority figures
.JY
Oleg Volk
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One does not rule out the other. Certain laws are immoral and should not be enforced. I am also working on other posters.
Limeyfellow
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That is always something that bothered me about the "from my cold dead hands!" crowd is that is exactly what would happen. We seen it many times such as Ruby Ridge, Waco, and yes even in New Orleans were alot of gang members with firearms were just tracked down and shot, then left to float down the river. One man against the military machine results in one dead man, and probrobly his family too. You start shooting at them and they call in the big guns. Your rifle isn't going to do much against say a tank or an apache turns up.
Organised resistance would eventually be defeated as most the nation wouldn't support what was considered terrorist acts. We are talking about acts similar to what al queda used or the provo IRA used. Do that and martial law gets declared and they hunt you down. Heck you can be arrested for organising a cell and in some cases just talking about one.
So if I (not an LEO of any kind) walked up to a house in N.O. in 2005 and forced the occupant to give me all his firearms I'd be within the law?
I think not!
The point is that it should not be legal for ANYONE to confiscate someone's firearms unless they've been convicted of a crime or at the least being under investigation for or reasonably accused of a crime. I support the laws that allow LEOs to TEMPORARILY disarm someone (i.e. give me your pistol for now and I'll give it back before I leave), but that's not the same as entering a person's home (a person not convicted nor even accused of any crime) and confiscating his firearms (i.e. removing them from the premises for an indeterminate time).
The latter should never be allowed.
Last time this came up, I pointed out that it sure didn't happen over the border in Texas, even though four people got shot pretty much right next to my field kitchen. (If you're interested: http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=local&id=3521779 )
Some people jumped all over me saying that Nagin was good as gone; totally unelectable as a result of these actions. Whatever.
One thought I had would be to write your state's Governor, or whoever is in charge of emergency management, and say that you don't support any EMAC loan personell being sent to LA to take part in gun confiscations when they ought to be busy helping people.
Some people jumped all over me saying that Nagin was good as gone; totally unelectable as a result of these actions. Whatever.
One thought I had would be to write your state's Governor, or whoever is in charge of emergency management, and say that you don't support any EMAC loan personell being sent to LA to take part in gun confiscations when they ought to be busy helping people.
Johnny_Yuma
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Keyboards vs. bullets
Oleg Wrote:
Nicely done. If you are looking for feedback, I might humbly suggest placing the keyboard to the left of (in "front of" viewing left to right) to suggest people get busy writing and voting NOW rather than later. Looking out of your house at a bunch of Guardsmen and cops is a bad time to think "the <whichever> law is immmoral." Fortunately, the people in Louisiana seem to have awoken and are (or maybe already have - I've lost track of the bill's progress) working to remedy the situation down there. UNFORTUNATELY, there are still far too many states (including my own state of North Carolina) that have laws that restrict firearms possession or carry during a state of emergency. Granted, there are many LEOs who will never execute an order to confiscate guns wholesale from the citizenry. However, as we saw in NO, you can always import some who will, provided they have some legal foothold for doing so. Changing these laws NOW is of the utmost importance.
JY
Oleg Wrote:
Nicely done. If you are looking for feedback, I might humbly suggest placing the keyboard to the left of (in "front of" viewing left to right) to suggest people get busy writing and voting NOW rather than later. Looking out of your house at a bunch of Guardsmen and cops is a bad time to think "the <whichever> law is immmoral." Fortunately, the people in Louisiana seem to have awoken and are (or maybe already have - I've lost track of the bill's progress) working to remedy the situation down there. UNFORTUNATELY, there are still far too many states (including my own state of North Carolina) that have laws that restrict firearms possession or carry during a state of emergency. Granted, there are many LEOs who will never execute an order to confiscate guns wholesale from the citizenry. However, as we saw in NO, you can always import some who will, provided they have some legal foothold for doing so. Changing these laws NOW is of the utmost importance.
JY
geekWithA.45
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Actually, it was.
At the time, failure to evacuate was a $500 misdemeanor, writing a summons was pretty much max.
NO LAWFUL AUTHORITY EXISTED to confiscate arms at that time and place. I've dilligently searched for such, and come up dry. No one has ever responded to my "cite the authority!" challenge. I conclude that my position is therefore reasonable and well founded.
In the absence of lawful authority, armed breaking and entering, false imprisonment, and theft are beacoup felonies.
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