Should we all be scared?

[Airman193SOS]

General Geoff, concealed carry permits are not within the purview of the Federal government. They are issued at the state level and at their discretion. I can't think of a way for the Democrats to justify such an intrusion into the affairs of states. Their usual excuse, the Commerce Clause, was gutted by US v. Lopez with regard to guns years ago, and that would be a spurious justification in any case.

In addition, many states have their own version of the 2nd Amendment in their own Constitutions, some of which have even stronger language. For instance, Pennsylvania:

The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

That is unequivocal. I'm interested to see how the Federal government can trump that short of passing a Constitutional amendment, which regardless of whether it makes it out of Congress will never, ever get 38 states on board.

In other words, stop worrying about it. That, at least, seems to be a dead issue.

 

[Sepia]

Airman, you are forgetting one thing.
There is one court of law where the law or your rights don't matter, and that is the Supreme Court. All it would take is a suit to be raised to the level of the Supreme court and they can "re-interpret" the 2nd amendment however they so choose.

 

[Coal Dragger]

I think we as citizens do have to worry about our 2nd Amendment rights with Democrats in control of things. Not that all Democrats are bad on 2nd Amendment issues, it's just that their leadership is.

It will take them some time to get around to doing what they want to. They will spend the first year or two wrecking the economy even more, raising taxes, and trying to socialize everything they can.

In the mean time set aside some money to buy the things you would want to have if you knew it was you last chance.

 

[rugerman07]

The recent supreme court Heller ruling is our ace in the hole. I'm not worried about it.

 

[RX-178]

The AWB isn't the threat here.

The AWB, at this point, is a bill proposed in EVERY single congress since the sunset, that is co-sponsored by no more than 4 people (Republicans, at that), is always referred to the Judicial Committee, and always dies there before even reaching the president.

President Bush even promised to sign it if it reached his desk, and it never reached his desk.

And every time they add more restrictions onto it than they did the last time. The possibility of this particular legislation passing, is essentially the same as Ron Paul's continuous proposals to get our gun rights BACK.

I'm MUCH more worried about tiny little additions to other bills. Like the machinegun ban added onto the gun owners protection act. THAT'S what worries me.

 

[TT]

Airman193SOS: concealed carry permits are not within the purview of the Federal government.

There’s nothing to stop the Feds from making carrying a concealed weapon a Federal crime. Your state permit won’t protect you.

 

[chemist308]

Remember, blackpowder arms are not registered purchases in many states. Many don't even require a drivers liscense for it. Newer blackpowder arms are relatively easy to shoot. You just have to clean them. Get one now, while you can. They can't take what they don't know you got.

 

[.38 Special]

I can't help but feel that the doomsayers must generally be on the young side. History tells us that gun owners need to be on guard during Democrat administrations. History also tells us that any losses suffered by gun owners during Democrat administrations are always incremental -- and some of this history is pretty recent, folks. Those of us who are forecasting sweeping new gun bans within weeks of Obama taking office are being, well, melodramatic, to put it politely.

An Obama win would tell us that it's time to be more vigilant, not to bury our guns and stock up the fallout shelters.

 

[Rossshady120]

****s real safe in the neck of my woods. Sales have not increased at the local wal-mart by me because i seem to be the only one buying ammo there i count the boxes. I saw alot of people at the last ISPC practice but that could of bin because of the past rain we had.

 

[SDC]

As someone from outside of your borders, I'm thinking that there's likely to be a better than even chance of some rioting tomorrow, whether it's "celebratory rioting", or "disappointment rioting"; stay safe everyone.

 

[pyle]

Let's put it like this: now isn't the time to run out of ammo. Hope everyone has been shopping!

 

[welldoya]

SDC, I'm thinking the same thing. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a big city tomorrow night. I've got a friend who works in downtown Chicago. His company is letting all the employees go early tomorrow. I'm afraid the Wednesday morning paper will be full of "incidents".

 

[jeepmor]

No, we should be prepared, well prepared.

 

[XD-40 Shooter]

I am concerned about an assault on our 2nd Ammendment rights. I give Obama about a year, to get the economy straight and possibly end the Iraq war, then we will see him come after the guns. I think another AWB is guaranteed within the next year. People that believe Obama respect's the 2nd Ammendment, are very, very gullible and ill-informed. Obama wants to regulate guns down to what he thinks we should be allowed to own, single shot 22's with a range of less than 100 yards.

Come January, when Midwayusa does their birthday sale for me, I'm loading up on hi-cap mags for my pistols, and reloading components. I don't trust Obama on the 2nd Ammendment as far as I can throw him, or any other issue for that matter, the man is a CON-ARTIST!

 

[GRIZ22]

General Geoff, concealed carry permits are not within the purview of the Federal government. They are issued at the state level and at their discretion. I can't think of a way for the Democrats to justify such an intrusion into the affairs of states.

They can do it the same way they did the 55 speed limit, 21 year old drinking and other things. Just tie it as a requirement to get certain funding.

I give Obama about a year, to get the economy straight and possibly end the Iraq war

His tax plan is the same as Hoover's in 1931 that drove us deeper into the Depression. No one is going to have us out of Iraq in a year. They don't want to be blamed for having to send our troops back the following year.

 

[tribbles]

I'd just like to point out one of my big firearms pet peeves:

It's spelled AMENDMENT, not AMMENDMENT.

How do you expect to persuade antis and fence-sitters if we can't even spell what it is that guarantees our RKBA?

Now, back to the apolitical discussion...

 

[hso]

Ok, this one's gone waaaaayyy off the tracks.